Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Sep 2011 22:20 UTC
Windows This is mandatory listening and watching material for understanding the design methodology and ideas behind the Metro interface in Windows 8 (and thus, Windows Phone 7). All this sounds great in theory, and Jensen Harris, one of the minds behind Metro, is clearly passionate about it - and I love people who are passionate about their work. It's just that to me, the Metro UI doesn't seem to work very well for actual work. I want window management! I'm taking all this into account for an article on Metro in the Developer Preview. Stay tuned.
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RE: Metro 'does not work for work'
by MollyC on Thu 15th Sep 2011 06:41 UTC in reply to "Metro 'does not work for work'"
MollyC
Member since:
2006-07-04

And I think you and Thom have extremely limited vision and limited imagination. Yours and Thom's rhetoric reminds me of "tech savvy" folks that talked of how superior the command line was to GUIs back in the day, and the command lines were better for doing actual work and that folks would disable GUIs to stick with command lines.

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Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

And then GUI-only Mac OS got some real UNIX chops and MS released power shell and the majority of servers still use command-line driven interfaces. Never mind that every time you enter a URL or do a Google search or work with a spreadsheet, you're using a command-line interface.

The reports of the CLI's death have been greatly exaggerated.

Edited 2011-09-15 08:36 UTC

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shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Please exaplain to Thom and myself how you are:-

Going to use two applications at the same time without lots more mous clicks. I see that Metro does not allow overlapping windows. Many, many businesses (to same money etc) cut/paste data from one app into another. Those users will be mightily peed off if that previously simple task is suddenly made a whole lot more difficult all in the name of progress...

Then...

Where I work, our customer service people have at least three apps open all the time. One to record the call and two to help them give instant diagnosis etc. With metro I see us going back to the days of dumb terminals (one screen at a time). I can fondly remember being told to 'hold on while I get to that screen' many times. Progress! Pah Fiddlesticks.

These people are measured on the numbers of calls they can handle per hour. This affects their income. They are going to be mightliy pissed off if 'the new system' reduced their income through no fault of their own...

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treborky Member since:
2011-09-15

I see that Metro does not allow overlapping windows.

You are correct in saying this but it does allow more than one window on the screen at a time. You can "snap" windows to each side of the screen so this would allow at least 3 windows. I don't know if you can add more or not.

That being said, having played with Windows 8 for a few hours yesterday I mostly agree with your points. Metro is slow to use, managing windows is difficult and also slow. Switching applications is slow and Alt+Tab seems not to work. There doesn't seem to be a way to close an application that I could figure out easily. Did I mention it's slow ?

For phones and tablets I can see this working but not for PC's or for any serious work. I think Windows 7 is becoming the new XP and Windows 8 looks like it could become the next Windows Vista. That means that business users are gonna be holding on to see what Windows 9 holds. I wonder will they cut the legacy desktop from this or perhaps we will see a true split in Windows where Windows Home Edition comes with the Metro Interface and Windows Enterprise comes with the desktop interface ?

Edited 2011-09-15 10:35 UTC

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righard Member since:
2007-12-26

CLI aren't better than GUI's just as GUI's aren't better than CLI's. Like with everything both have a place in the computer ecosystem, and targeting everybody is impossible.

As a programmer I find working in a command-line much more productive and precise. Granted even trivial things can have a steep learning curve, which makes even me (as a cli-diehard) sometimes think: "ah, screw it I'll just download some gui-front-end" But for tasks which I preform often it always pays of to invest time in learning doing it via the command line.

However, for consumer applications I think command-lines are not the way to go. GUI can make applications seem a lot less intimidating, and because everything is much for discoverable the learning curve can be made almost horizontal.

I find working with text is much more efficient with a text interface, just as working with graphics would be much mare efficient in a graphical interface. Well you could try to design a flyer using ImageMagick but I think it would be hard to keep up with your competition ;)

On-Topic: Watching Microsoft from a distance they always seemed to be steering towards things like this Metro interface. To me it seems that Microsoft wants to be a company for average consumer. It seems (look at Bob) that they want to abstract everything away making computers as straightforward to use as say pen and paper. But it seems they are the victim of there own popularity, they have to drag this bag full over corporate- and power users, and backward compatibility with them on there way forward.
Maybe they should just split it entirely, continue Windows with the classical desktop, and start a new OS called Windows Metro or something for consumers.

Edited 2011-09-15 10:40 UTC

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