Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Sep 2011 22:30 UTC
Windows Why, would you look at this. All this time we were expecting Apple to be the first one to flip the switch and limit desktop users to Mac App Store applications and turn Mac OS X into a walled garden, but in fact, Microsoft will be the first to flip this switch. As it turns out, Metro applications can only be installed through the Windows Store - with sideloading only for enterprises and developers (this doesn't apply to legacy applications).
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RE[2]: Comment by jbauer
by kristoph on Wed 21st Sep 2011 00:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by jbauer"
kristoph
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2006-01-01

No, as Microsoft explain at the recent Build conference Metro is the future of Windows. Metro is built on WinRT which replaces the Win32 API which Microsoft now considers 'legacy'. There won't be any further updates to 'the desktop mode'.

The future is Metro. Metro is the future.

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RE[3]: Comment by jbauer
by WorknMan on Wed 21st Sep 2011 01:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by jbauer"
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2005-11-13

Metro is built on WinRT which replaces the Win32 API


What, you mean like how Win32 was considered legacy when the .NET framework came along? LOL, Metro ain't replacing shit, except maybe for grandma. Tell you what... whenever MS rewrites Visual Studio and their other core apps as pure Metro apps (WITHOUT having to fall back to their desktop counterparts to get any real functionality), then we'll talk about Win32 being legacy.

Edited 2011-09-21 01:26 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by jbauer
by tomcat on Wed 21st Sep 2011 01:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by jbauer"
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2006-01-06

What, you mean like how Win32 was considered legacy when the .NET framework came along? LOL, Metro ain't replacing shit, except maybe for grandma.


Oh, if you say so... LOL

Tell you what... whenever MS rewrites Visual Studio and their other core apps as pure Metro apps (WITHOUT having to fall back to their desktop counterparts to get any real functionality), then we'll talk about Win32 being legacy.


Your comments would lead me to believe that you never listened to any of the keynotes. MS said that there are content CONSUMPTION and content CREATION applications. Metro is designed for the former. And MS said there is a market for the latter. There are plenty of consumption apps that will continue to be sold (Photoshop, Premiere, MS Office, etc).

Edited 2011-09-21 01:50 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by jbauer
by kristoph on Wed 21st Sep 2011 03:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by jbauer"
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2006-01-01

What, you mean like how Win32 was considered legacy when the .NET framework came along?


.net was built on top of Win32; WinRT is built on top of the Windows kernel

Win32 won't go away for many years (if ever) but it will eventually become an optional install/won't be available on consumer versions of Windows/etc.

Microsoft needs a clean break from Win32 because they simply can't carry it (and the various services it depends on) onto tablets without compromising their performance and battery consumption.

It used to be that Microsoft could build 'for the future' because they had no competition but now that Apple and (to a much lesser extent) Google are eating their lunch on Tablets then need to cut loose the dead wood to stay competitive.

Even the tablet they gave out at build - which is sitting on my desk here - is like heavier than an iPad, it's got 3.5 hours of battery life, and it has a freaking fan! No one would buy that over an iPad.

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RE[3]: Comment by jbauer
by vault on Wed 21st Sep 2011 14:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by jbauer"
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2005-09-15

No, as Microsoft explain at the recent Build conference Metro is the future of Windows. Metro is built on WinRT which replaces the Win32 API which Microsoft now considers 'legacy'. There won't be any further updates to 'the desktop mode'.

The future is Metro. Metro is the future.

It doesn't really matter what Microsoft thinks. What matters is what people actually use. So let's see how the market reacts to that.

If enough developers stay with Win32 Microsoft can't ignore it and remove it in the next version, or they'll doom themselves and Windows 9 will be even bigger failure than Vista was.

So far it doesn't look good for Metro. It's nearly useless on the desktop and it restricts us to Windows Store. So, no, thanks.

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RE[4]: Comment by jbauer
by kristoph on Wed 21st Sep 2011 16:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by jbauer"
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2006-01-01

It's not about the people that use it. It's about the developers who build it.

My company does not do Windows development at this time, only web and Apple, but I am planning to invest in additional developers to have some Metro apps at launch because it represents the biggest gold rush since the iOS App Store.

Many others are too, because it's just such a huge deal to be at the cusp of a new platform that will be deployed to tens of millions of devices annually.

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