Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Sep 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by kragil
Windows After the walled garden coming to the desktop operating system world, we're currently witnessing another potential nail in the coffin of the relatively open world of desktop and laptop computing. Microsoft has revealed [.pptx] that as part of its Windows 8 logo program, OEMs must implement UEFI secure boot. This could potentially complicate the installation of other operating systems, like Windows 7, XP, and Linux.
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RE[3]: Comment by ronaldst
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 11:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ronaldst"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

I think we all get this. But the question is why was it engineered to take power away from the owners? This is not a necessary element of secure boot. Even if 99% of users never need to touch it, why prohibit them from doing so if they want to use it with their own code? That's the problem that we/I have.


The problem is that Apple fanatics tend to be blind to issues beyond the needs of Apple users. The kind of control we hand over to private entities we have ZERO control over, entities which have very close ties to what I consider to be an immoral, inhumane, and barbaric regime (the US one, no matter the party or president in power) is something I do not find particularly comforting.

Not that it WILL affect me in any way, but the POSSIBILITY should make any true democrat [the ideology, not the party] nervous.

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RE[4]: Comment by ronaldst
by vitae on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 21:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by ronaldst"
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

immoral, inhumane, and barbaric regime (the US one, no matter the party or president in power)


Okay, I have a question, if this can be done in a civilized manner. I've no problem with people calling us Americans barbarians and such. It's true, we took this land forcibly from the Native Americans and built it up with slavery, exploiting Chinese workers so and so forth.

What I don't understand is why these lectures come so often from Europeans, when everything we learned about violence and oppression, we learned from them. Millenia of wars, colonialism and brutality towards each other and people across the planet seems to have been forgotten rather quickly.

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RE[5]: Comment by ronaldst
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 21:52 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by ronaldst"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Okay, I have a question, if this can be done in a civilized manner. I've no problem with people calling us Americans barbarians and such. It's true, we took this land forcibly from the Native Americans and built it up with slavery, exploiting Chinese workers so and so forth.


That's not what I'm referring to.

What I don't understand is why these lectures come so often from Europeans, when everything we learned about violence and oppression, we learned from them. Millenia of wars, colonialism and brutality towards each other and people across the planet seems to have been forgotten rather quickly.


Oh you won't hear me excuse the Dutch past. We were the worst slave traders, we've done terrible things to the people of Indonesia back when it was our colony, and so on. However, that's not what I'm referring to.

I'm referring to the intense poverty in the US nobody seems to give a shit about as long as the rich few can remain rich. I'm referring to the death penalty. I'm referring to the insanely high homicide, drug abuse, and crime rates. I'm referring to the offensive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Let that sink in for a while: your government caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Not 500 years ago, not 100 years ago, not even 60 years ago - but right now. Pointing to the insane things the Dutch have done up until we finally became civilised does not negate this.

Then there's Guantanamo Bay, widespread disregard for civil and constitutional rights, utterly corrupt Congress and administration... The list goes on.

I have absolutely zero issues with Americans as a people - quite the opposite in fact. Every American I've ever met - no exceptions - has been nothing but kind and awesome. In fact, I'd rather hang out with the average American than with the average Dutchman. Without a doubt.

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RE[5]: Comment by ronaldst
by l3v1 on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 05:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by ronaldst"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

Okay, I have a question, if this can be done in a civilized manner


Funny how this (let's be civilized now) pops up when criticism towards the lands over the big water happen to arise. Criticism is a two way street, and somebody at one end has made plenty of criticism towards everyone and dog, getting some in return shouldn't feel overly uncivilized.

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