Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Sep 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by kragil
Windows After the walled garden coming to the desktop operating system world, we're currently witnessing another potential nail in the coffin of the relatively open world of desktop and laptop computing. Microsoft has revealed [.pptx] that as part of its Windows 8 logo program, OEMs must implement UEFI secure boot. This could potentially complicate the installation of other operating systems, like Windows 7, XP, and Linux.
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Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 18:29 UTC
shmerl
Member since:
2010-06-08

It's enough that Microsoft imposes Windows tax on users ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund ) while claiming that one can get refunds. Now they want to brazenly impose even more.

Nice video on the subject of "trusted computing" in general:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnXU7z2_6Jg

Edited 2011-09-22 18:33 UTC

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RE: Comment by shmerl
by lucas_maximus on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 19:17 in reply to "Comment by shmerl"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Oh not this Window Tax bullshit.

Basically a lot of Laptops and Desktops would not be as cheap if they didn't have a Windows License and all the crap ware ... If you don't want the crap ware ...

Either uninstall it ... which isn't hard.

Or for the cleanest install, download an ISO of the same version of Windows via (Bit torrent) that is installed and do a clean install with your legit key.

If you want to install whatever just do so ... you aren't losing anything.

I am pretty sure Dell get Windows Licenses for like $4 or something that is less than a cup of over priced coffee over here.

I think a lot of people have to get real IMO.

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RE[2]: Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 19:23 in reply to "RE: Comment by shmerl"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

> Basically a lot of Laptops and Desktops would not be
> as cheap if they didn't have a Windows License

Completely the opposite. Hardware would be cheaper if not Windows tax.

> If you want to install whatever just do so ... you aren't losing anything.

Except the price of Windows which in general is above $100 in US.

> I am pretty sure Dell get Windows Licenses for like $4 or something

You can't be sure of something Dell never revealed to the public. Indirect methods indicate amounts much bigger than $4 as practice shows.

> I think a lot of people have to get real IMO.

Yes, to be real is to be against monopoly of crooks which MS are.

> Either uninstall it ... which isn't hard.

Microsoft wants to prevent you even from this now with this secured boot nonsense.

Edited 2011-09-22 19:28 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by shmerl
by lemur2 on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 23:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by shmerl"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Oh not this Window Tax bullshit. Basically a lot of Laptops and Desktops would not be as cheap if they didn't have a Windows License and all the crap ware ... If you don't want the crap ware ... Either uninstall it ... which isn't hard. Or for the cleanest install, download an ISO of the same version of Windows via (Bit torrent) that is installed and do a clean install with your legit key. If you want to install whatever just do so ... you aren't losing anything. I am pretty sure Dell get Windows Licenses for like $4 or something that is less than a cup of over priced coffee over here. I think a lot of people have to get real IMO.


There is a company in my country that advertises a base price for its computers which does not include the price of the OS. AFAIK Pioneer Computers buys component parts from Asian countries and then assembles the computers in Australia. This is the page for its inexpensive Notebook Computers $149-$699
http://pioneercomputers.com.au/products/products.asp?c1=3&c2=12

If you look at the detailed price breakdown of the cheapest Windows 7 machine, you see this:

http://pioneercomputers.com.au/products/configure.asp?c1=3&c2=12&id...

The base price is $349. Any option to have Windows installed will cost extra.

Microsoft Windows XP Professional [+$169]
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Recovery CD [+$39]
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (32/64 Bit) [+$99]
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (32/64 Bit) [+$169]
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade/Full Version (64 Bit) [+$199]

There are other options:
Upgrade Windows from 32 bit to 64 bit
Ubuntu Linux OS Pre-loaded. Great freeware.
Multi Boot OS Set up, Up to 4 Operating Systems [+$49]

Ubuntu is the only option for which you can buy the machine at its base price of $349. Ubuntu comes with LibreOffice installed, BTW. Every option for Windows comes with a Windows tax. The minimum Windows 7 tax is $99, the full version Windows 7 tax is $199. Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Business Edition is +$253.

A machine with Windows 7 Home Premium plus Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Business Edition, offering almost the same level of functionality as the Ubuntu option at $349, would cost an additional $352. It would cost $701 total for the Windows 7 Home Premium + Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Business Edition, compared to the base price of $349.

More than twice the price.

Microsoft wanting to put UEFI secure boot into OEM ROMs would mean that Pioneer Computers could not offer its customers the inexpensive option (the $349 Ubuntu option, without any Windows tax).

Edited 2011-09-23 00:10 UTC

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