Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Sep 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by kragil
Windows After the walled garden coming to the desktop operating system world, we're currently witnessing another potential nail in the coffin of the relatively open world of desktop and laptop computing. Microsoft has revealed [.pptx] that as part of its Windows 8 logo program, OEMs must implement UEFI secure boot. This could potentially complicate the installation of other operating systems, like Windows 7, XP, and Linux.
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RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by lucas_maximus on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 19:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Many OEMs have said that their hardware is as cheap as it is because of the bundled software and the fact that Microsoft gives them OEM discounts.

It like standard stuff. I usually buy my laptop (which are usually dell) from guys that repackage the OS without the crap or give me install media.

In ever other walk of life ... people getting ripped because they didn't know their shit goes unnoticed ... but in the Computer world ... nerds think it is a holy war.

As I said you guys need to get real about a lot of things ...

Recent Conversation between a Bloke and a Linux fanboy in my office

Bloke - "I bought this on iTunes and my girlfriend can't play it on <other Mp3 player>"
LF - "iTunes has DRM"
Bloke - "??"
LF - "It stops you playing it on other things"
Bloke - "Well that makes sense since it is Apple's make"

Seriously people just expect this. It is exactly the same as Henry hoover bags not working on My cheap ass Argos hoover.

I should have done my research ... luckily my flat is small and I don't hoover often.

BTW hoover in England = Vacuum Cleaner.

Edited 2011-09-22 19:34 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 19:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Brainwashed people can expect that to live behind barbed wires and electrical fences is a norm. Normal people don't expect that, believe me.

Your example is strange. If he expected that to happen, why did he try giving it to his girlfriend? Or was it she asking him? At least one of them is surely normal, intuitively expecting to play the media where they want. I.e. DRM is not a natural thing.

> Many OEMs have said that their hardware is as cheap as
> it is because of the bundled software and the fact
> that Microsoft gives them OEM discounts.

You mean cheaper than if they wouldn't get those discounts (read bribes from MS for them to support MS monopoly). But of course not as cheap as without Windows tax at all.

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RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by lucas_maximus on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 19:53 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Brainwashed people can expect that to live behind barbed wires and electrical fences is a norm. Normal people don't expect that, believe me.


Oh lets not try to make Operating Systems the same as actually enslaving people ... that is mental

Actually Enslaving people is actually horrible in every way imaginable, and comparing that to whether you can choose Windows or Linux to browse the internet ... is just unbelievable.

Your example is strange. If he expected that to happen, why did he try giving it to his girlfriend? Or was it she asking him? At least one of them is surely normal, intuitively expecting to play the media where they want. I.e. DRM is not a natural thing.


It is quite obvious ... he bought a song on an iPod an tried copying to her really cheap mp3 player ... it didn't work .. when it was explained it was because the mp3 was meant to work only on his iPod he said "makes sense"

For him it was like saying "why won't my DVD work in my Cd player"

For the Linux guy it was pretty much a "war" situation for him.


You mean cheaper than if they wouldn't get those discounts (read bribes from MS for them to support MS monopoly). But of course not as cheap as without Windows tax at all.


Bribes ... do you actually think people/companies need to be bribed to support having a decent OS, Linux is a bag of bolts and always have been.

Most software supports Windows ... therefore it is a damn good bet to run Windows if you are supplying computer hardware.

Also the OEM price you see online isn't what they pay, I am a nobody at work and I have asked for discounts from Microsoft, and I just get them... and I don't work for a OEM vendor. I mean I get a discount of VS2010 ultimate of 90% by just calling the right person.

It ultimately depends on who you ask at Microsoft as to whether you get a discount ... it mainly to do with your relationship with the supplier. However with Microsoft you have to be very specific as to what you want from them when trying to get discount.

I asked JetBrains that supply ReSharper for a discount because we are a charity ... as I got 50% off without any haggling. My email was "do you do a discount for charities on the corp version?"

Seriously big companies don't pay what you see online for Microsoft software prices. If I got 50% off by asking nicely, imagine what Dell gets.

Edited 2011-09-22 20:01 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by Soulbender on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 20:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Many OEMs have said that their hardware is as cheap as it is because of the bundled software and the fact that Microsoft gives them OEM discounts.


Unless MS actually *pay* them that will still add to the cost. A discounted price is still a cost, it doesn't reduce the cost of your manufacturing and assembly process.
Bundled software could help reducing the price somewhat but then again, I see plenty of cheap hardware that comes with no OS and consequently no bundled apps.

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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by vitae on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 20:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20



BTW hoover in England = Vacuum Cleaner.


lol It's a good thing you added that. You say Hoover, and I immediately think either Herbert or J. Edgar.

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