Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Sep 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by kragil
Windows After the walled garden coming to the desktop operating system world, we're currently witnessing another potential nail in the coffin of the relatively open world of desktop and laptop computing. Microsoft has revealed [.pptx] that as part of its Windows 8 logo program, OEMs must implement UEFI secure boot. This could potentially complicate the installation of other operating systems, like Windows 7, XP, and Linux.
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RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by lucas_maximus on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 19:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Brainwashed people can expect that to live behind barbed wires and electrical fences is a norm. Normal people don't expect that, believe me.


Oh lets not try to make Operating Systems the same as actually enslaving people ... that is mental

Actually Enslaving people is actually horrible in every way imaginable, and comparing that to whether you can choose Windows or Linux to browse the internet ... is just unbelievable.

Your example is strange. If he expected that to happen, why did he try giving it to his girlfriend? Or was it she asking him? At least one of them is surely normal, intuitively expecting to play the media where they want. I.e. DRM is not a natural thing.


It is quite obvious ... he bought a song on an iPod an tried copying to her really cheap mp3 player ... it didn't work .. when it was explained it was because the mp3 was meant to work only on his iPod he said "makes sense"

For him it was like saying "why won't my DVD work in my Cd player"

For the Linux guy it was pretty much a "war" situation for him.


You mean cheaper than if they wouldn't get those discounts (read bribes from MS for them to support MS monopoly). But of course not as cheap as without Windows tax at all.


Bribes ... do you actually think people/companies need to be bribed to support having a decent OS, Linux is a bag of bolts and always have been.

Most software supports Windows ... therefore it is a damn good bet to run Windows if you are supplying computer hardware.

Also the OEM price you see online isn't what they pay, I am a nobody at work and I have asked for discounts from Microsoft, and I just get them... and I don't work for a OEM vendor. I mean I get a discount of VS2010 ultimate of 90% by just calling the right person.

It ultimately depends on who you ask at Microsoft as to whether you get a discount ... it mainly to do with your relationship with the supplier. However with Microsoft you have to be very specific as to what you want from them when trying to get discount.

I asked JetBrains that supply ReSharper for a discount because we are a charity ... as I got 50% off without any haggling. My email was "do you do a discount for charities on the corp version?"

Seriously big companies don't pay what you see online for Microsoft software prices. If I got 50% off by asking nicely, imagine what Dell gets.

Edited 2011-09-22 20:01 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 20:05 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by shmerl"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Whatever they pay, they still inflate the price because of that. I don't really care about how much they pay, I care about having a choice not to be affected by this bundling.

It is quite obvious ... he bought a song on an iPod an tried copying to her really cheap mp3 player ... it didn't work .. when it was explained it was because the mp3 was meant to work only on his iPod he said "makes sense"


You see, you are disproving your own point (which was seriously people just expect this.). He knew it was iPod (i.e. Apple), still he expected to copy the song to other device because it's a natural thing to expect. Only after he started to dwell on it more, he agreed that since it's Apple, that won't work. But normal expectation - it should work. So when it doesn't work - it's not a norm. That was my point.

Edited 2011-09-22 20:06 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by shmerl
by lucas_maximus on Thu 22nd Sep 2011 22:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by shmerl"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Whatever they pay, they still inflate the price because of that. I don't really care about how much they pay, I care about having a choice not to be affected by this bundling.


No we care about getting shit done.

I explained to you but you ignored that I can get discounts from MS.

It is quite simple ... it works for us. If you don't f--king like that too f--king bad. I don't really care how much you value freedom ... It it called a "deal" and it has been done since the start of time ... get a clue would you.

You see, you are disproving your own point (which was seriously people just expect this.). He knew it was iPod (i.e. Apple), still he expected to copy the song to other device because it's a natural thing to expect. Only after he started to dwell on it more, he agreed that since it's Apple, that won't work. But normal expectation - it should work. So when it doesn't work - it's not a norm. That was my point.


I am not disproving my own point. The point was that nobody unless us geeks really give a shit. He bascially said "oh wait I bought some apple shit and it didn't work with some TESCO shit ... well okay fair enought".

Thus the Hoover example. but you didn't quite catch on.

Edited 2011-09-22 22:13 UTC

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