Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 15:45 UTC
Internet & Networking It might be common, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to wail against it - especially since I was not familiar with this particular case. As it turns out, several of Adobe products' download pages have opt-out checkboxes to also install Google Chrome. This was spyware-like behaviour when Apple did it with Safari and the iPhone Configuration Utility, and it is still spyware-like behaviour when Adobe and Google do it with Chrome.
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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 15:55 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

To be honest this is a bit late to be posting this article, they’ve been doing this for a long time already.

Google are simply not interested in competing based on promoting an open and fair Internet. They want eyeballs for ads and they will force Chrome on people by any means. I’ve seen Chrome bundled with:

* Flash Player
* Adobe Reader
* CCleaner
* Skype
* Picasa
* Google Earth
* Java

All with the box ticked on by default.

This is completely irresponsible behaviour and almost sad that the only thing that will kill bundling is closed and restricted app stores ;)

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by senshikaze on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 16:05 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
senshikaze Member since:
2011-03-08

But alot of those programs did the same with other products (java and ccleaner used to bundle yahoo toolbar, if i am not mistaken). This is just another bundle in a long string of bundles.

I do agree that should be opt-in only, but try to convince a middle management type who just sees the $$ for the bundle contract.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Soulbender on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 16:11 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

They want eyeballs for ads


Of course, that's their biggest revenue stream. It would be irresponsible not to want to maximize it.

I’ve seen Chrome bundled with:

TO be honest, I have never seen chrome bundled with anything but I dont do much work in Windows so that's probably why.
I've seen all kinds of toolbars (including the Google toolbar) and crap bundled though and this is no different.
It's the bundling company's responsibility to handle this properly. I don't know how this stuff gets bundled though, if it's from deals with the bundled apps company or on the initiative of the bundling company.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by molnarcs on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 16:24 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

You go to chrome download page, and download Chrome. It comes with nothing. Same goes for Picasa. You use the "I've this" (yeah, i've seen a lot of things too) to come up with this nonsense: "Google are simply not interested in competing based on promoting an open and fair Internet."

As opposed to whom??

Which major tech company is more interested in an open and fair Internet? Apple? Microsoft? Yahoo? Please.

I've never seen the bundle you mention. Come to think of it, Google is a major rival to Skype, especially with their latest hangout feature on + (free 10-way video teleconferening). It was certainly not Google who bundled Skype with Chrome.

Edited 2011-09-23 16:27 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 16:43 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10
RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by _xmv on Sat 24th Sep 2011 02:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
_xmv Member since:
2008-12-09

[q] "Google are simply not interested in competing based on promoting an open and fair Internet."

As opposed to whom??

Which major tech company is more interested in an open and fair Internet? Apple? Microsoft? Yahoo? Please.
/q]
Have you not heard of Mozilla? They have a pretty big market share, the biggest in some countries.

And what's Mozilla? Well that's the *only* company that I know of which is promoting an open and fair internet. In fact, that actually makes it mission to fight for the user - regardless of the recent anti-Mozilla FUD - and is a not-for-profit company (that's right, they've zero other interest than making it better for everyone)

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by tomcat on Sun 25th Sep 2011 18:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Which major tech company is more interested in an open and fair Internet? Apple? Microsoft? Yahoo? Please.


Canard. The reason this issue is controversial is that Google likes to wrap itself in the false premise that it favors an open and fair Internet. Google only cares about openness to the extent that the perception helps Google in pushing for tighter control over all advertising revenue streams. Microsoft, Apple, and Yahoo never claimed to be proponents of an open and fair Internet. So, thanks for the strawman argument.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by haakin on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 16:30 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
haakin Member since:
2008-12-18

Google are simply not interested in competing based on promoting an open and fair Internet.


I can't see the relation between "an open and fair Internet" and the fact that you can get Chrome bundled with other programs. It would be different if your browser were uninstalled and replaced by Chrome.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by righard on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 19:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
righard Member since:
2007-12-26

Isn't that toy animal still a green crocodile?

Edited 2011-09-23 19:38 UTC

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by vodoomoth on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 16:31 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

I didn't realize Chrome was bundled with so much crap, including Java! Wow, I just hope for Google that Chrome doesn't reach a high penetration rate quickly. Otherwise I wonder how they'll be able to chase the Holy Grail that market share growth is to them.

Off-topic: too bad the green crocodile is no longer your avatar.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by molnarcs on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 17:00 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

Chrome is not bundled with anything. He's pulling things out of his ass. See for yourself.

http://www.google.com/chrome?hl=en-GB

Third parties might distribute Chrome with other shit, but that's what they do, and have been doing for ages (those "essential" bundles from obscure sites) with everything.

Edited 2011-09-23 17:00 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 20:11 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

My bad with the wording, when I said bundled *with*, I meant that each of those programs has at one point included Chrome, rather than Chrome itself including *all* of those things.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by auouymous on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 22:47 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
auouymous Member since:
2011-09-23

They want eyeballs for ads and they will force Chrome on people by any means.


Google wants Chrome to be the number one browser because it is the only browser that makes it difficult to block third-party cookies. The other browsers don't require a command line switch to see the checkbox. Then Google went and changed blogger to use third-party cookies so people wouldn't disable them. Can't make money without those tracking cookies.

Google's biggest problem is Windows 8 and they need to make as much money as possible before it ships. The Metro app store will be like Apple's app store and prohibit apps that duplicate system apps, such as IE10. Yup, no more Chrome, Firefox, Safari or Opera in your Metro. ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by n4cer on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 23:11 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

The Windows Phone Marketplace has no such rules against duplication of existing functionality. It's highly unlikely the Windows 8 Store will contain such restrictions.

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