Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 15:45 UTC
Internet & Networking It might be common, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to wail against it - especially since I was not familiar with this particular case. As it turns out, several of Adobe products' download pages have opt-out checkboxes to also install Google Chrome. This was spyware-like behaviour when Apple did it with Safari and the iPhone Configuration Utility, and it is still spyware-like behaviour when Adobe and Google do it with Chrome.
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Google and Flash Player
by J. M. on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 21:14 UTC
J. M.
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2005-07-24

I have always wondered why Google changed their opinion on Flash overnight a year or two ago, why they started bundling the Flash Player with Chrome, with Chrome OS, why they reviewed their HTML5 plans for YouTube and the Internet in general, why they suddenly started saying that they still need Flash because there are things that HTML5 cannot offer... Now I understand. But at least they could have been honest about it. Professional liars have to be expected everywhere these days, but Google was a company that in my (naive?) view was less likely to have them.

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RE: Google and Flash Player
by molnarcs on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 21:51 in reply to "Google and Flash Player"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

I have always wondered why Google changed their opinion on Flash overnight a year or two ago, why they started bundling the Flash Player with Chrome, with Chrome OS, why they reviewed their HTML5 plans for YouTube and the Internet in general, why they suddenly started saying that they still need Flash because there are things that HTML5 cannot offer... Now I understand. ...


So can you share your understanding with us? I still don't get it. I suspect there were some technical reasons, but have no clue. Another guess is that flash is ubiquitous and works across different browsers and platforms. Adobe declared VP8 support, so I thought Google might need Adobe to deliver their royalty-free video codec to as many desktops as possible via flash. But that's just a guess. So what's your understanding of the Adobe-Google relationship? You didn't elaborate on that part...

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RE[2]: Google and Flash Player
by J. M. on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 22:19 in reply to "RE: Google and Flash Player"
J. M. Member since:
2005-07-24

Google and Adobe signed a deal last year. Google agreed to help Adobe bring Flash to Android, among other things (http://www.osnews.com/story/23193/Google_Adobe_Partner_on_Bringing_...). They also started bundling the Flash Player with Chrome etc., said YouTube would still use Flash, even though there were speculations they wanted to get rid of Flash before.

Now, this was all good for Adobe. The Flash-free iPhone was a big threat to them, just like the Flash-free Metro IE in W8 is. If Google products were Flash-free, too, it could have been a nail in Flash's coffin. Adobe needed to do something to stop its decline.

But why did Google sign the agreement? Well, at least now we see something in it for Google, too: Google helps Adobe spread Flash, Adobe helps Google spread Chrome.

Edited 2011-09-23 22:23 UTC

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RE: Google and Flash Player
by tomcat on Sun 25th Sep 2011 18:26 in reply to "Google and Flash Player"
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2006-01-06

Professional liars have to be expected everywhere these days, but Google was a company that in my (naive?) view was less likely to have them.


Naivete. Eric Schmidt appeared before Congress this past week, and made the claim that he "didn't know" whether Google search results to favor its own properties and preferred advertisers -- while punishing competitors. He simply was not credible.

Google is in for a rough ride over the next few years. They're spreading lots of money around DC, and trying to force themselves into as many markets as possible, but it's not going to help them, ultimately. They have a monopoly on search, the FTC/DOJ Antitrust Division will eventually file suit, and Google will be forced to accept and sign a consent decree banning certain practices.

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