Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 22:22 UTC, submitted by kragil
Windows The story about how secure boot for Windows 8, part of UEFI, will hinder the use of non-signed binaries and operating systems, like Linux, has registered at Redmond as well. The company posted about it on the Building Windows 8 blog - but didn't take any of the worries away. In fact, Red Hat's Matthew Garrett, who originally broke this story, has some more information - worst of which is that Red Hat has received confirmation from hardware vendors that some of them will not allow you to disable secure boot.
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RE: Pressure Microsoft
by f0dder on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 23:32 UTC in reply to "Pressure Microsoft"
f0dder
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2009-08-05

Ah yes, because what Apple is doing with EFI + OSX is so much better?

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RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft
by zztaz on Sat 24th Sep 2011 01:02 in reply to "RE: Pressure Microsoft"
zztaz Member since:
2006-09-16

What kind of fanboy response is this? Microsoft could behave better. So could Apple. Poor behavior by Apple does not excuse poor behavior by Microsoft.

I fail to see the relevance of anything that Apple does to Microsoft's attempt to use an avoidable side-effect of a desirable security feature to lock out other operating systems.

Apple plays the lock-in game, too. That doesn't make what Microsoft is doing right. Apple and Microsoft are both wrong. Is that hard to understand?

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RE[3]: Pressure Microsoft
by Dr.Mabuse on Sat 24th Sep 2011 05:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft"
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2009-05-19

I think his point stands. If you buy from either, you're rewarding the same behaviour.

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RE[3]: Pressure Microsoft
by f0dder on Sat 24th Sep 2011 05:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft"
f0dder Member since:
2009-08-05

Perhaps you missed the "Somehow Apple is looking good again to me." part of the post I replied to?

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RE[3]: Pressure Microsoft
by viton on Mon 26th Sep 2011 16:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

poor behavior
Replacing dreaded BIOS/MBR with more adequate system is considered as "poor behavior"?
I don't think the whole "secure boot" thing is a problem because there are lot of mobo makers who fight with each other for every cent. And this feature will force the "potentially linux" consumers to avoid their stuff.

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RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft
by redshift on Sat 24th Sep 2011 17:52 in reply to "RE: Pressure Microsoft"
redshift Member since:
2006-05-06

Ah yes, because what Apple is doing with EFI + OSX is so much better?


Yes it was better. EFI is technologically superior to ancient BIOS and closer to the OpenFirmware that apple used on PowerPC. Alternative OSs may have had to adapt to EFI, but they were not locked out of it with keys.

I would not mind the security enhancement in UEFI as long as the user gets a key to run their own code.

If vendors don't offer a way to turn off the feature, SecureBoot will be a prime target for cracking since it will thoroughly irritate people who have the skills and motivation to break it.

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RE[3]: Pressure Microsoft
by Neolander on Sun 25th Sep 2011 07:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Take it with a big pinch of salt, but if I remember correctly, Macs ship with a badly broken (and outdated) implementation of EFI, which gives headaches to everyone trying to run an OS which implements EFI support from the spec.

It is likely that OS X depends on some quirks of this implementation, both making it incompatible with PCs which run standard UEFI and making OSs compatible with standard UEFI incompatible with "Mac-EFI". That would essentially make Apple's EFI yet another proprietary firmware, which just happens to be based on EFI.

Again, take this with a big pinch of salt.

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RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft
by lucac81 on Sat 24th Sep 2011 18:31 in reply to "RE: Pressure Microsoft"
lucac81 Member since:
2007-09-13

Well first of all Apple sells both the hardware and the software, MS not.
MS produces the OS and force the hardware manufacturer to lock their products in order to be compliant with windows 8.
Also EFI on mac doesn't prevent you to install windows or linux

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RE[2]: Pressure Microsoft
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 24th Sep 2011 19:38 in reply to "RE: Pressure Microsoft"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Macs don't require the use secure boot, do they? They prevent the OS from booting on non Apple hardware, but that's different: its limiting the use of their software. Microsoft limits the use of the hardware that works with their software. I think Microsoft's is much worse. Software is usually cheaper than hardware.

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