Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 22:22 UTC, submitted by kragil
Windows The story about how secure boot for Windows 8, part of UEFI, will hinder the use of non-signed binaries and operating systems, like Linux, has registered at Redmond as well. The company posted about it on the Building Windows 8 blog - but didn't take any of the worries away. In fact, Red Hat's Matthew Garrett, who originally broke this story, has some more information - worst of which is that Red Hat has received confirmation from hardware vendors that some of them will not allow you to disable secure boot.
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open efi etc
by der_FuX on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 23:34 UTC
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2011-09-23

Selling a device that allows other people to decide what you do with your hardware. Not very original, we've seen this before. The PC platform loses a lot of its freedom should this move not be countered by legislative powers. I live in the EU and certainly hope that secure boot - with its announced weaknesses (sadly some people actually refer to these as "features" (and get away with it) ) - will be "banned".

The guys at coreboot.org certainly saw this coming though. Might be an idea to put this "army of hackers" - that Tsuroerusu referred to - on designing / improving a BSD/GPL licensed EFI that is vastly superior (the BIOS powers of old aren't that well known for their interfaces / features etc.) to this closed, mysterious and frightening code that will be running on a lot of machines.

BTW: I would love to encounter an error message whilst installing Linux/FreeBSD on a piece of new hardware, calling the supplier and telling him his server is broken ;) . Ofc, professional server manufacturers would want their devices to be "safe" as well, wouldn't they ;) ?

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RE: open efi etc
by pgeorgi on Sat 24th Sep 2011 08:17 in reply to "open efi etc"
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2010-02-18

The guys at coreboot.org certainly saw this coming though. Might be an idea to put this "army of hackers" - that Tsuroerusu referred to - on designing / improving a BSD/GPL licensed EFI that is vastly superior (the BIOS powers of old aren't that well known for their interfaces / features etc.) to this closed, mysterious and frightening code that will be running on a lot of machines.

The problem isn't features - we at coreboot.org could crank out them by the week. The main issue is hardware support, and in particular with Intel and nVidia hardware, things look bleak.

As for EFI: www.tianocore.org - we could really use someone who's willing to make this a coreboot payload.

BTW: I would love to encounter an error message whilst installing Linux/FreeBSD on a piece of new hardware, calling the supplier and telling him his server is broken ;) . Ofc, professional server manufacturers would want their devices to be "safe" as well, wouldn't they ;) ?

Even more fun: Manage to install Linux with your own keys, then complain with Microsoft support that Windows 8 doesn't install :-)

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RE: open efi etc
by Soulbender on Mon 26th Sep 2011 19:24 in reply to "open efi etc"
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2005-08-18

professional server manufacturers would want their devices to be "safe" as well, wouldn't they


Professional server manufacturers want to sell to the largest amount of customers and MS is not a dominant force in the server space.

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