Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 22:22 UTC, submitted by kragil
Windows The story about how secure boot for Windows 8, part of UEFI, will hinder the use of non-signed binaries and operating systems, like Linux, has registered at Redmond as well. The company posted about it on the Building Windows 8 blog - but didn't take any of the worries away. In fact, Red Hat's Matthew Garrett, who originally broke this story, has some more information - worst of which is that Red Hat has received confirmation from hardware vendors that some of them will not allow you to disable secure boot.
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Stop whining!
by Hieper on Sat 24th Sep 2011 01:30 UTC
Hieper
Member since:
2010-12-08

Matthew Garrett, Red Hat:

"If Microsoft were serious about giving the end user control, they'd be mandating that systems ship without any keys installed."

Please come back to earth Garrett! It's a safety feature, the whole point is that it's on by default. PCs aren't about 'giving the end user control', they are about creating an efficient, beautiful, and secure computing experience. Linux guys will never understand 99% of the user population (after 20 years I'm sure of this). Hence the 1% market share on the desktop.

I love the new innovative and assertive Microsoft. MS has a serious fight on their hands (not with Linux, of course). Anyone who doesn't get this deserves to be steamrolled into the ground.

Go Microsoft!

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RE: Stop whining!
by satsujinka on Sat 24th Sep 2011 01:49 in reply to "Stop whining!"
satsujinka Member since:
2010-03-11

You do realize that not only are your numbers off, but also your entire point.

The PC took off for the very reason that it was easily modifiable. Security has never been a concern. All a manufacturer who doesn't include the ability to shut off the "secure boot" option does is shoot themselves in the foot.

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by BluenoseJake on Sat 24th Sep 2011 12:36 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

At first, the PC wasn't free at all, IBM owned the the original BIOS, and you couldn't build an open PC without it. Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS, and IBM took them to court and lost.

If IBM had of won, the PC market as it exists now wouldn't have existed at all.

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RE: Stop whining!
by SonicMetalMan on Sat 24th Sep 2011 02:01 in reply to "Stop whining!"
SonicMetalMan Member since:
2009-05-25

Hmmm, my desktop OS is Ubuntu and I choose not to live in a "walled garden" with Windows 8 or OS X. I expect my hardware to allow me to make that choice without needing permission from Microsoft. It's my hardware and I expect to be able to use it as I see fit.

Yeah, I also do not believe in intrusive government either. Freedom is a beautiful thing. It is a shame that Microsoft doesn't agree.

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RE: Stop whining!
by Dr.Mabuse on Sat 24th Sep 2011 05:46 in reply to "Stop whining!"
Dr.Mabuse Member since:
2009-05-19

... they are about creating an efficient, beautiful, and secure computing experience ...


Does UEFI secure boot do this? How?

What *exactly* is the benefit of this technology, other than the obvious one for Microsoft?

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by Icaria on Sat 24th Sep 2011 06:54 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

What *exactly* is the benefit of this technology, other than the obvious one for Microsoft?


The benefit is that when Windows is inevitably compromised by a piece of malware, the malware can't write itself to the boot sector.

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RE: Stop whining!
by noamsml on Sat 24th Sep 2011 16:20 in reply to "Stop whining!"
noamsml Member since:
2005-07-09

I think you're missing the point. I'm sure most OSNews users are fine with UEFI -- it's a great feature. However, it's only a feature if it can be turned off. Think of it like this: Cake is great. I love cake. Sometimes I want to eat cake, and sometimes I want to eat things that aren't cake. If someone gives me cake, I'll probably enjoy it. If someone gives me cake and then stops me from eating anything else ever, I'd be pretty upset. And in poor health.

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by Alfman on Sat 24th Sep 2011 16:30 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

noamsmi,

"I think you're missing the point. I'm sure most OSNews users are fine with UEFI -- it's a great feature. However, it's only a feature if it can be turned off."

Well, there are three issues that I've picked up on so far. In order of significance, they are:

1. Turn the flag off to boot alternative OS at all.
2. The ability to dual boot linux and windows without reconfiguring the bios each time.
3. The ability to actually use the feature under linux instead of merely disabling it.

Even if secure boot can be disabled, linux users still have legitimate concerns about the other two unnecessary restrictions built into the computer.

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