Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Sep 2011 15:36 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless This is the biggest one yet. Microsoft's professional extortion campaign - the third side of the same triangle it shares with Apple and Oracle - has finally hit Samsung. The two companies have signed a patent licensing agreement concerning Samsung's use of Android, in which a rumoured fee of $15 (!) per device will flow from Seoul to Redmond. Not entirely coincidentally, that's about the price of a Windows Phone 7 license.
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RE: Thom has it backwards
by dsmogor on Wed 28th Sep 2011 19:44 UTC in reply to "Thom has it backwards"
dsmogor
Member since:
2005-09-01

Actually they did and Apple have been copying from Android in ver. 4 and is supposed to continue in 5.
They also innovated java exectution making it suitable for battery constrained devices. Actually would be better off licencing dalvik to J2ME companies insted of suing Google.

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RE[2]: Thom has it backwards
by umad on Wed 28th Sep 2011 19:55 in reply to "RE: Thom has it backwards"
umad Member since:
2011-08-18

Actually they did and Apple have been copying from Android in ver. 4 and is supposed to continue in 5.


Can you cite examples... and no, not the inclusion of cloud technology or associated services. That isn't copying any more than Google creating web based email was copying hotmail.


They also innovated java exectution making it suitable for battery constrained devices.


They innovated a technology that they didn't have legal allowance to use in the first place?

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RE[3]: Thom has it backwards
by Neolander on Wed 28th Sep 2011 20:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Thom has it backwards"
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2010-03-08

"Actually they did and Apple have been copying from Android in ver. 4 and is supposed to continue in 5."

Can you cite examples... and no, not the inclusion of cloud technology or associated services. That isn't copying any more than Google creating web based email was copying hotmail.

iOS 5 notifications ? If, for you, Google implementing a touchscreen OS similar to iOS in behavior is copying, then surely you should have noticed what has happened there.

(Myself, I'm happy that companies "copy" each other... It would be a usability disaster and a waste of efforts if every phone OS out there had to reinvent basic things file management or web browsing in order to avoid the patent minefield)

"They also innovated java exectution making it suitable for battery constrained devices."

They innovated a technology that they didn't have legal allowance to use in the first place?

Are we talking about Java the language or Oracle JRE the implemented runtime ?

Java the language is to the best of my knowledge an open standard which everyone may make use of, as third-party runtimes like IcedTea are here to testify. The Oracle lawsuits are about illegal copying of JRE code.

Edited 2011-09-28 20:12 UTC

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RE[3]: Thom has it backwards
by phoudoin on Thu 29th Sep 2011 07:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Thom has it backwards"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

"Can you cite examples... "

Notification system.
Multitasking.
System wide copy & paste.

"They innovated a technology that they didn't have legal allowance to use in the first place?"

These days, all technology is locked down by legal trolling. Nobody can innovate anymore without stepping on the legal shoes of someone else.

That would not be a problem is the shoes guys were continuing to innovate on their own... shoes technology. But they less and less do that.
Instead they place themselves in the middle of a mandatory corridor and simply wait that people step on their shoes so they can yell at them until they receive some cash.

Last but not least, they all started their business also by stepping on (giant) shoes too. The giant just didn't notice them, then. Or just want to be a giant troll.

Again, it's "do as we say, not as we did" pure hypocrisy.

Edited 2011-09-29 07:54 UTC

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RE[3]: Thom has it backwards
by zima on Wed 5th Oct 2011 18:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Thom has it backwards"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

not the inclusion of cloud technology or associated services. That isn't copying any more than Google creating web based email was copying hotmail

But black rectangles with rounded corners, or the whole basic idea of minimalism (while also pretending the "Braun minimalism" didn't exist), are within scope, I'm sure...

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