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Internet & Networking Other than the low price (only $199?!) and the fact that Google is getting absolutely nothing out of Amazon's use of Android, I couldn't really bring myself to caring too much about the Kindle Fire (Apple and/or Microsoft patent lawsuit in 3... 2... 1), but there is one aspect that intrigued me - Amazon's beefing up of what at its core is Opera Mini.
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As always....
by FealDorf on Thu 29th Sep 2011 22:33 UTC
FealDorf
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2008-01-07

... Opera comes up with good-to-great ideas, but coupled with poor execution

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RE: As always....
by koffie on Thu 29th Sep 2011 22:49 in reply to "As always...."
koffie Member since:
2010-05-06

Ah so that's why Opera Mobile is the nr1 mobile brower if you look at the international picture? ;)

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RE[2]: As always....
by FealDorf on Fri 30th Sep 2011 00:45 in reply to "RE: As always...."
FealDorf Member since:
2008-01-07

I thought the market share was falling? Newer androids don't come with opera bundled either. Don't get me wrong -- I love opera. I use it on desktop, my iPod Touch, my dumb-phone and android. But I don't think the company as a whole is doing a great job in expanding their marketshare

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RE[2]: As always....
by galvanash on Fri 30th Sep 2011 01:36 in reply to "RE: As always...."
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2006-01-25

Ah so that's why Opera Mobile is the nr1 mobile brower if you look at the international picture? ;)


Opera Mini is the one with significant userbase - and that is because it is a not-completely-useless browser that runs on cheap feature phones that come with completely-useless browsers (or in many cases come with Opera Mini itself)...

Mini is for feature phones, Mobile is for smartphones, and it has a dramatically smaller userbase because most smartphones come with decent browsers.

That is not a knock against Opera or anything, but you are twisting the truth a bit. You make it sound like people are tripping over each other to run Opera because of its worldwide popularity...

Mini is widely used for no other reason than for most phones it runs on it is the only decent browser available. Virtually no one runs Opera on Android or iOS (although it does have a small but significant presence on Windows Mobile 6.1)...

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RE[2]: As always....
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 3rd Oct 2011 20:35 in reply to "RE: As always...."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Ah so that's why Opera Mobile is the nr1 mobile brower if you look at the international picture? ;)


No, that's why its not the number one mobile browser, if you don't look at the "international picture". The execution of the idea sucks on devices used in top tier mobile devices.

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RE: As always....
by zima on Thu 29th Sep 2011 23:38 in reply to "As always...."
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2005-07-06

How is Opera Mini a poor execution of its (merely similar!) idea? It even targets completely different kinds of devices - look at the top handsets in country snapshots of their stats ( http://www.opera.com/smw/2011/08/ ); some of those mobiles (Nokia 2330 certainly, C1-02 most likely, not the only ones) can be had for less than 50 bucks, new, without contract (majority of the 5+ billion mobile subscriptions)

Even such phones work well with Opera Mini, giving quite full access to the web; show me a browser which works better on them.
Oh, while saving huge amounts of data costs (particularly important for the millions who want to be online but can afford only inexpensive phones)

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RE[2]: As always....
by FealDorf on Fri 30th Sep 2011 00:52 in reply to "RE: As always...."
FealDorf Member since:
2008-01-07

Well, then I must say I chose the wrong word there.

I use opera mini on my ipod touch at home even when I have it connected to my WiFi; so I know how useful it gets. Even on snappy networks it can get snappier -- the execution I'm talking about is the polish and marketting, rather. Take speed dial of opera vs chrome; or browser sync, or pretty much any awesome concept that has me stuck using it. It works, but it lacks polish until a competitor picks it up.

As for marketshare -- the "completely different devices" -- that's my primary issue. It feels like people are content with it being the niche browser. All markets will slowly migrate to smartphones (I live in india, so I can fairly say I have some idea) and I rarely see people use opera mini on their 'droids.

Edited 2011-09-30 00:52 UTC

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RE[2]: As always....
by dsmogor on Sat 1st Oct 2011 21:46 in reply to "RE: As always...."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Actually, opera mini isn't the only java browser using cloud rendering technology.

There are also Bitstream Bolt, ucbrowser and one specific for Nokia S40 devices.

As for sites compatibilty Bolt runs circles around Opera Mini supporting even ajax heavy websites and offering usefull full screen rendering on screens as low res as 200x400.

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RE: As always....
by vodoomoth on Fri 30th Sep 2011 11:53 in reply to "As always...."
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2010-03-30

In addition to "poor execution", with the revised meaning of "lack of polish and marketing" you made clearer, I'd add that there is also some stillness i Opera when it comes to features and bugs. Issues that have been reported remain open for months if not years.

For instance, the default download folder is still not available as an option in the file download dialog, there is still no 'delete' button for items in the opera:cache, the tabs extension API has never been completed and its last update was in January, I'm still waiting for the option to have locked tabs behave like they did until 11.00 mimicked the Chrome "shrink and move to left side of tab bar" behavior, the support for non-ASCII characters in keyboard shortcuts is still buggy, custom form fields are nowere to be found... I could go on for pages.

On the side of never-to-be-seen features, how long have we been asking for PGP or S/MIME integration in M2? How about restoring the lightspeed-fast back and forward navigation we had in Opera 8 in lieu of the joke that the current "fast history navigation mode" is? I guess some things will never be implemented. But who knows? We've waited equally as long for HTML emails and now we have them.

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RE[2]: As always....
by FealDorf on Fri 30th Sep 2011 12:12 in reply to "RE: As always...."
FealDorf Member since:
2008-01-07

How about restoring the lightspeed-fast back and forward navigation we had in Opera 8 in lieu of the joke that the current "fast history navigation mode" is?

Oh how I miss this feature ;)

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