Linked by David Adams on Thu 29th Sep 2011 23:47 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Linux Linux is struggling on the desktop because it only has a small number of "great" apps, according to the Gnome co-creator. Miguel de Icaza, co-creator of the Gnome desktop, told tech journalist Tim Anderson at the recent Windows 8 Build conference "When you count how many great desktop apps there are on Linux, you can probably name 10," de Icaza said, according to a post on Anderson's IT Writing blog. "You work really hard, you can probably name 20. We've managed to p*** off developers every step of the way, breaking APIs all the time."
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RE[2]: He's right
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 01:54 UTC in reply to "RE: He's right"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?


Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted.

Plasma desktop
digikam
krita
k3b
kate
okular
dolphin
Kst
Amarok
qalculate

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RE[3]: He's right
by stabbyjones on Fri 30th Sep 2011 02:21 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

The question was asking for "10 really good apps" not 10 KDE packages.

There are plenty of awesome QT apps out there;
(http://packages.python.org/spyder/overview.html)

But parts of the KDE SC don't qualify as 'really good'.

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v RE[4]: He's right
by fast_rizwaan on Fri 30th Sep 2011 02:32 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
RE[4]: He's right
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 02:33 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

The question was asking for "10 really good apps" not 10 KDE packages.


No, it wasn't. The question was, and I quote: "can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?"

There are plenty of awesome QT apps out there; (http://packages.python.org/spyder/overview.html)


A fine application, but Python/Qt apps, such as the one you linked, do typically run on Windows.

YOU didn't answer the question.

But parts of the KDE SC don't qualify as 'really good'.


Why not? Especially the apps that are far better than the equivalent apps on Windows. Why exactly don't they qualify as as 'really good'?

What, we have app prejudice now? Go to the back of the bus, hey?

PS: a number of the apps I quoted are not part of the KDE SC.

Edited 2011-09-30 02:35 UTC

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RE[3]: He's right
by narcissus on Fri 30th Sep 2011 02:35 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
narcissus Member since:
2005-07-06

"As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?


Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted.

Plasma desktop
digikam
krita
k3b
kate
okular
dolphin
Kst
Amarok
qalculate
"

I have to second this list. I'm not sure what Mono Miguel is spewing about. What is "great"? Does he consider Mono great? (I know, it's not an "ap", but wtf? I also agree with what someone just posted the he's having a hard time listing 10 "great" windows apps.

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RE[3]: He's right
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 05:16 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?
Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted. Plasma desktop, digikam, krita, k3b, kate, okular, dolphin, Kst, Amarok, qalculate "

WTF? Why was this voted down? I listed 10 apps that don't run on Windows. All 10 are at least as good as any other equivalent app for other platforms for the same purpose.

A perfectly polite and concise answer to the question posed.

What on earth is going on with the downvoting?

Is there some point here that some people don't want others to know about, or something?

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RE[4]: He's right
by Slambert666 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 06:09 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

WTF? Why was this voted down? I listed 10 apps that don't run on Windows. All 10 are at least as good as any other equivalent app for other platforms for the same purpose.


Perhaps you were voted down for being delusional?

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RE[4]: He's right
by ephracis on Fri 30th Sep 2011 06:53 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

All 10 are at least as good as any other equivalent app for other platforms for the same purpose.

No they are not, not in my opinion. You see, this "good" word is highly subjective. I for one don't want my screen blasted with the vomit that is Amarok or Dolphin.

But again, that's my highly personal opinion. You sir make it sound like your opinion is the truth. Maybe that pissed people off?

Just a guess, I didn't vote...

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RE[4]: He's right
by oinet on Fri 30th Sep 2011 07:23 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
oinet Member since:
2010-03-23

I personally despise anonymous voting/modding.

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RE[4]: He's right
by cyrilleberger on Fri 30th Sep 2011 09:21 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

Except that most of them run on windows... There is no exclusively good linux-only applications, because most of them are written with portable toolkits. And if they are good, eventually someone will compile them on windows.

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RE[3]: He's right
by jack_perry on Fri 30th Sep 2011 05:29 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

SAGE (www.sagemath.org)

Currently runs in Windows only via a virtual machine, or through browser web pages served from a Linux box. :-D

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RE[4]: He's right
by am577 on Sat 1st Oct 2011 01:32 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
am577 Member since:
2011-10-01

SAGE is indeed a good example.

I am not a Linux zealot and use MacOS and Windows every day, but the existence of cygwin is a proof that there is a significant number of people who prefer Linux tools to the analogues in other operating systems. This includes non-command-line applications. For example, I think

http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/

is superior to any other plotting tool I tried (and I tried many). I know at least a dozen of people (all in academia) who share this opinion. It's available on Windows as part of cygwin.

Am I wrong that gnuplot was available for Linux first as well?

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RE[4]: He's right
by am577 on Sat 1st Oct 2011 01:48 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right"
am577 Member since:
2011-10-01

SAGE is indeed a good example.

I am not a Linux zealot and use MacOS and Windows every day, but the existence of Cygwin is a proof that there is a significant number of people who prefer Linux/Unix tools to their analogues in other operating systems. This includes non-command-line applications. For example, I strongly prefer

http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/

to any other plotting tool I tried (and I tried many). I know at least a dozen of people (all in academia) who share this opinion. Grace can be used on Windows (via cygwin + X server) and Mac OS X.

On the other hand, many good Linux applications (or applications that started as Linux/Unix-only applications) have a niche user base. An average user is unlikely to be interested in either Sage or Grace.

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RE[3]: He's right
by TemporalBeing on Fri 30th Sep 2011 14:42 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

"As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?


Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted.

Plasma desktop
digikam
krita
k3b
kate
okular
dolphin
Kst
Amarok
qalculate
"

While I agree that those are great apps, most of them do actually run on Windows as one of the stated goals of KDE4 was for more cross-platform capabilities, and to that end windows.kde.org is driving the Windows ports of most all of KDE. This was aided, of course, by TrollTech/Nokia expanding the GPL/LGPL license of Qt to the Windows version, which use to only be for their commercial customers prior to Qt 4.

About the only app that I know of that doesn't run on Windows from KDE is Konsole which is due to the Pty support on Windows (or rather the lack thereof).

I'm not sure of k3b runs on Windows yet or not...it might, but I can't remember.

Oh - and the KDE/Windows folks even provide a nice installer that does a fairly good job of acting as a package manager, albeit only for what they build.

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RE[3]: He's right
by jyper on Mon 3rd Oct 2011 09:51 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
jyper Member since:
2011-10-03

One of the problems is not running on Windows, most kde apps while possibly not well tested on windows will run on windows to some extent. see http://windows.kde.org/.

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