Linked by David Adams on Thu 29th Sep 2011 23:47 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Linux Linux is struggling on the desktop because it only has a small number of "great" apps, according to the Gnome co-creator. Miguel de Icaza, co-creator of the Gnome desktop, told tech journalist Tim Anderson at the recent Windows 8 Build conference "When you count how many great desktop apps there are on Linux, you can probably name 10," de Icaza said, according to a post on Anderson's IT Writing blog. "You work really hard, you can probably name 20. We've managed to p*** off developers every step of the way, breaking APIs all the time."
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RE: Comment by stabbyjones
by Soulbender on Fri 30th Sep 2011 03:44 UTC in reply to "Comment by stabbyjones"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

I dunno, was pretty easy for me.

wireshark
k3b
firefox
chrome/chromium
dolphin
kate
kopete
psi
kmail
ktorrent

...continuing...
konsole
bangarang
vlc
smplayer
amarok
clementine
thunderbird
etc etc

and thats just at the top of my head.

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RE[2]: Comment by stabbyjones
by clasqm on Fri 30th Sep 2011 07:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by stabbyjones"
clasqm Member since:
2010-09-23

Now take out all the ones that are available on windows and/or Mac. That's what this is about. Are there any apps out there that are so utterly awesome that anybody would want to switch to Linux?

Oh, I'm not a windows fanboy BTW. I'm a Mac fanboy. I do a lot of writing and Apple's Pages is the most incredible word processor ever made. The first wp I've seen on which styles actually make sense. I run a Mac because Pages is available on it.

Your turn. What Linux app gives such an incredible user experience that I should give up the Mac and run a Linux box instead? And keep in mind that anything that runs via a native port (eg Firefox), or as an X port (scribus) or via Darwinports or Fink does not qualify. I can run those already.

Hey, I like the Linux politics. But it's not enough, I need great software that I cannot get anywhere else. Give me a reason to switch!

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No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Mac OS X lacks a good file manager and window manager, so I'd say kwin and Dolphin or one of the many alternatives. BTW, pretending that Fink and X11 somehow makes the experience the same under OS X just isn't credible, as the user experience generally sucks.

Hell, OS X isn't even integrated with itself when you look at it from the POV of the command line.

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RE[3]: Comment by stabbyjones
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 10:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by stabbyjones"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Now take out all the ones that are available on windows and/or Mac. That's what this is about. Are there any apps out there that are so utterly awesome that anybody would want to switch to Linux?

Oh, I'm not a windows fanboy BTW. I'm a Mac fanboy. I do a lot of writing and Apple's Pages is the most incredible word processor ever made. The first wp I've seen on which styles actually make sense. I run a Mac because Pages is available on it.

Your turn. What Linux app gives such an incredible user experience that I should give up the Mac and run a Linux box instead? And keep in mind that anything that runs via a native port (eg Firefox), or as an X port (scribus) or via Darwinports or Fink does not qualify. I can run those already.

Hey, I like the Linux politics. But it's not enough, I need great software that I cannot get anywhere else. Give me a reason to switch!


You have a point here. For the most part, one can achieve whatever one wants to achieve on any well-supported platform, be it Linux, Mac or Windows.

The killer feature of Linux is value-for-money. One can achieve vastly more capability per dollar spent on a Linux machine.

That feature may not be very attractive however to someone who has already blown their money on an expensive Mac or Windows system.

In fact, such people might even come on Internet forums and try to justify their expensive choice, perhaps to make them feel better. They might even go so far as to try to insist that a far better value-for-money alternative doesn't exist, when clearly, it does. They might even down-vote others in a kind of semi-irrational state of denial.

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RE[3]: Comment by stabbyjones
by r_a_trip on Fri 30th Sep 2011 11:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by stabbyjones"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Are there any apps out there that are so utterly awesome that anybody would want to switch to Linux?

I'd say the GNU/Linux operating system itself. It is rock solid (if you install it on appropriate hardware), it is near gratis, it has a large range of applications available and just a few clicks away and it is pretty resilient to malware (at least Linux lets you know something wants your admin password), plus it is highly adaptable and a modern Linux distro installs a complete system in less than 40 minutes.

What Linux app gives such an incredible user experience that I should give up the Mac and run a Linux box instead?

None. If you need external convincing that Linux is best for you, than Linux isn't best for you. Besides, reading between the lines, your gold standard is the OS X environment. Linux will fail this standard every time, because Linux simply isn't OS X.

Give me a reason to switch!

If you can't give yourself a reason to switch, what makes you think somebody else can? It is your computer. You should run the OS on it that makes you happy. My Linux computing experience doesn't diminish when you happily run OS X. My guess is that you aren't any unhappier about your Mac, knowing that I run Linux...

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RawMustard Member since:
2005-10-10

What Linux app gives such an incredible user experience that I should give up the Mac and run a Linux box instead?


That's easy. Linux itself!

The others aren't even in the race when it comes to flexibility and freedom. To be able to just apt-get new app when I need a tool to do a job without having to agree to sacrifice my first born is a no brainer to me.

For me linux isn't just about the Windows[tm] killer apps. linux is a choice between flexibility, freedom and convenience. de Icaza misses the whole point about Linux with this opinion piece if you ask me.

People who choose Linux do so because they need a dependable OS with no restrictions to get something done. They don't care if it doesn't have Windows[tm] killer apps, the other benefits far out way this BS!

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Now take out all the ones that are available on windows and/or Mac.


Right, so we should take out cross-platform apps when talking about Windows and Mac too then.

That's what this is about.


No, it's about great Linux desktop apps. If they exist on multiple platforms are irrelevant.

What Linux app gives such an incredible user experience that I should give up the Mac and run a Linux box instead?


How would I know? I don't know what your needs and wants are. I also don't care if you use Linux, Mac or Windows. Use what works best for you.

And keep in mind that anything that runs via a native port (eg Firefox), or as an X port (scribus) or via Darwinports or Fink does not qualify.


This is a dumb criteria for "a great app". Either the app is great or not.

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RE[2]: Comment by stabbyjones
by DMon on Fri 30th Sep 2011 20:36 in reply to "RE: Comment by stabbyjones"
DMon Member since:
2011-09-30

Clusterssh but that is kind of an admin app so I can see how it would be missed.

That all said their isn't that many truly killer apps on windows either. Yes there are some niche apps (Maya, 3DMax, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, etc) but they are really not used by the vast majority of users. In fact most apps that fit 90% of the users would work for them on the Linux space. Problem is you have to look at the impact of the market. The vast majority of users use productivity apps like Office or a web browser and that space is starting to be eat'n by the tablets and smartphones. Even windows will be hit by this change.

Thus we will come back to the niche markets which will then depend on where those places one to be. Adobe will still sale Photoshop for Mac and Windows and as long as some crazy Linux guy can use Wine to get it running on Linux Adobe doesn't care. And frankly most of the niche apps cost so much that most people who use them can afford to have systems specific for their purpose.

The tablet is poised to take over the productivity and consumption apps. It will soon be that all you need is a tablet and usb/bluetooth keyboard and you can say bye bye to you desktop of your.

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