Linked by David Adams on Thu 29th Sep 2011 23:47 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Linux Linux is struggling on the desktop because it only has a small number of "great" apps, according to the Gnome co-creator. Miguel de Icaza, co-creator of the Gnome desktop, told tech journalist Tim Anderson at the recent Windows 8 Build conference "When you count how many great desktop apps there are on Linux, you can probably name 10," de Icaza said, according to a post on Anderson's IT Writing blog. "You work really hard, you can probably name 20. We've managed to p*** off developers every step of the way, breaking APIs all the time."
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Comment by static666
by static666 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 14:13 UTC
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Yeah, I know lots of people consider Amarok a hallmark among Linux desktop applications. Sometimes they even compare it to iTunes and Windows Media Player.

But have you guys ever tried foobar2000 on Windows?

Insane amount of features, taking audiophile needs into account, clean interface, everything is customizable, smart & stable extension API with hundreds of plugin components available online in just 3 MB (!) distribution and its free! Just awesome. It dwarfs bloated crap like iTunes, WMP on Windows and just any other music player on _any_ platform.

Now, last time I checked Amarok distribution for Windows was 92 MB. Trying to install it on Ubuntu 11.04 (with mplayer, vlc and ffmpeg there already - so most of the audio-related deps in place) requires one to download 72.2 MB of archives. Very iTunes-like. What the f***?! Does it have more features than foobar2000? Hardly so.

Next to iTunes, Amarok may be great. Next to foobar2000 it is a joke - why would you even install it having a much better free alternative? Well, at least it supports Replaygain and has a media library, so it can actually be convenient to listen to music, unlike 75% of other music players on Linux. As for Joe the developer, why would you even waste your effort porting it to Windows instead of making your product better on its own platform, where it is needed most?

So, talking about great apps, you need to define a great app first. If not comparing to other platforms, one can find a great piece of software for Linux in any category. But in comparison to the very best from all platforms, unfortunately, Linux apps still feel like half-arsed clones for almost every general-purpose app. Of course, I must admit, they do their job well enough, but their greatness.. is not that great after all.

In the end it all depends on the user - we use what we like.. of what we can (depending on platform).

Since we hear from the Mono Guy spreading FUD about the Linux Desktop in the middle of some MS conference, he might be seeking another position on MS payroll after the latest Win 8 announcements.

P.S. Oh, yeah, must admit - using K in almost every KDE app name is pathetic.

Edited 2011-09-30 14:22 UTC

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RE: Comment by static666
by static666 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 14:36 in reply to "Comment by static666"
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When comparing applications on different platforms, many people forget about whether the app is free or even open source or not. You can't be serious comparing a product of a bunch of free software developers to the one made by a horde of programmers of some software publishing house.

Well, there are exceptions, like gimp. Apart from missing a number of quite important features photo professionals use, it is an excellent app that can stand to being compared to Photoshop. And it is completely free, while Photoshop is not!

Now, if we look at photo management software, Shotwell is good and it works. Looks like Picasa, perhaps more like version 1.0 of Picasa. That's it. You can't even compare it to the latest Picasa, not even mentioning Adobe Lightroom.

Now, if there's Picasa for Linux, why isn't it on the Linux (i.e. Ubuntu) desktop by default?

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RE[2]: Comment by static666
by acobar on Fri 30th Sep 2011 17:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by static666"
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Gosh, I guess you never tried digiKam did you? You now, people should first do a little research before posting.

Now, I can understand that many people love Windows, this is the platform they learned how to use computers.

There are some very nice Windows applications for sure. For example, I really miss badly Autocad on linux, but that is the ONLY application I miss.

And before I forget, I cross my fingers everyday hoping that LibreOffice will not copy the new MS Office interface

Nothing against Windows or OSX, but they aren't for me.

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RE: Comment by static666
by Valhalla on Fri 30th Sep 2011 15:44 in reply to "Comment by static666"
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But have you guys ever tried foobar2000 on Windows?

Yes, and last time I used it under wine it ran perfectly. Nowadays I use 'deadbeef' which is a 'linux native' foobar-inspired very lean on resources music-player.

As for Miguel being heartbroken, sure he is but it's not due to lack of linux desktop apps. It's because he was peddling Mono towards the Linux desktop and noone was buying, I remember him whining about the non-existant uptake outside of Novell (where he was developing it) and later Attachmate washed their hands of it when they aquired Novell.

Now he is targeting Mono towards iOS and Android, and that's fine and all but I really doubt it will be a sustainable business. Still, I wish him luck since he certainly loves .NET and I always hope people get to work on what they love.

His bogus claim that Linux haven't got more than 10 great desktop apps though just comes across as petty bitterness as a result of Mono's failure to attract developers on Linux.

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RE: Comment by static666
by Soulbender on Fri 30th Sep 2011 15:50 in reply to "Comment by static666"
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But have you guys ever tried foobar2000 on Windows?

Yes and it's indeed a very good audio player. For Windows. It's not a patch on Amarok, Clementine or Bangarang though.

P.S. Oh, yeah, must admit - using K in almost every KDE app name is pathetic.

It's almost like that other company that uses "i" in every product name.

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RE: Comment by static666
by Dave_K on Fri 30th Sep 2011 23:55 in reply to "Comment by static666"
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But have you guys ever tried foobar2000 on Windows?

I agree completely. It's easily the best player on Windows, and even with a few glitches, I'd still rate Foobar2000 + WINE as by far the best player on Linux too.

I've tried pretty much every Linux player available, but Amarok and the rest aren't even in the same league.

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RE: Comment by static666
by korpenkraxar on Sat 1st Oct 2011 07:16 in reply to "Comment by static666"
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I do not get your argument. What does a great music player like foobar2000 on Windows take away from a great music player like Amarok on Linux?

Why is the number of available configuration options and features the main metric for how good a player is?

In your mind, is there a killer feature in foobar2000 that completely changes the listening experience and which is not available in a Linux music player?

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