Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Oct 2011 20:48 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless I don't think I've ever seen this before, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Samsung anf Google were supposed to unveil the Samsung Nexus Prime with Android Ice Cream Sandwich next week, but in a surprise announcement, the companies said that the press event is cancelled - out of respect for Steve Jobs. In the meantime, leaked specifications reveal that the Nexus Prime could be a real doozy.
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Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

but they didn't bump the number, and the average tech journalist is an idiot, so "meh."


Yes, tech journalists are generally idiots. This makes sense, since they work for large companies, and need to appease not only their parent company, but also their advertisers, and Apple itself, of course (to ensure an invitation to the next event).

All those large tech sites? Engadget? Ars Technica?

When it comes to Apple reviews, they are - by definition - not to be trusted. Sites like that MUST be nice and kind about Apple, because else Apple cuts them off. They are the IGN and GameSpot of the tech world [when it comes to reviews - otherwise they're relatively decent, esp. Ars].

If you want real reviews, go to the likes of AnandTech and Tom's Hardware. Those are the real tech journalists. Major exception to the rule is Siracusa, of course. He's a legend.

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As for myself - my response to the iPhone 4S is a big resounding meh exactly because I'm a nerd. I never said it wouldn't sell or wouldn't be a success - because at this point, Apple could slap a logo on a turd, call it the iPhone X, and sell 34 million of them by quarter's end.

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atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

When it comes to Apple reviews, they are - by definition - not to be trusted. Sites like that MUST be nice and kind about Apple, because else Apple cuts them off. They are the IGN and GameSpot of the tech world [when it comes to reviews - otherwise they're relatively decent, esp. Ars].


And we see evidence of this where?

If you want real reviews, go to the likes of AnandTech and Tom's Hardware. Those are the real tech journalists. Major exception to the rule is Siracusa, of course. He's a legend.


Benchmark sites. Appealingly objective in their informational content, and informative provided your question is specific enough.

As for myself - my response to the iPhone 4S is a big resounding meh exactly because I'm a nerd. I never said it wouldn't sell or wouldn't be a success - because at this point, Apple could slap a logo on a turd, call it the iPhone X, and sell 34 million of them by quarter's end.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. You recuse yourself from human taste and understanding by calling yourself a nerd, tacitly claiming that your expectations are special without giving any hint as to what they might actually have been, and go on to insult the general public with a flippant remark that they're so uninformed and tasteless they'd buy Apple-branded feces, ignoring the fact that Apple's products have the highest customer satisfaction ratings while selling in the tens of millions, something no amount of loyalty or marketing could achieve. Whom could a journalist who believes such thinking is insightful ever hope to inform?

The iPhone is disappointing because it is, but people will buy anything because they will, and that's journalism. Who's the one trying to sell shit?

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Do you have any evidence to support the notion that if attendees at Apple event write a critical review of a product that they will be disinvited to the next event? Any evidence at all?

What strikes me about tech reviewers and Apple products is how often they underestimate the potential of Apple products by a quite staggering degree. The way the iPad was greeted is a very good example of that. The way the iPhone 4s was greeted is another example in the same league I think. Leaving aside the fact that by this time next month the iPhone 4s will be the world's top selling handset the way that the tech press, by and large, has utterly failed to understand the significance or potential of Siri is astonishing. What was demoed seems to be a functional AI system, in a phone, that actually works in the real world and does useful stuff. And it's not even at version 1 yet. The potential of this is enormous.

You say 'because at this point, Apple could slap a logo on a turd' but the point it's not that Apple could sell a turd the point is that the buying public knows from long experience that Apple won't sell them a turd. What was the last Apple product of any significance that could be described as turd? Premium brands are partially made by advertising and market positioning but only partially. If a premium brand is actually crap the brand reputation will sooner or later (usually sooner) collapse. And the fact is what Apple sells is a premium brand product experience at not premium prices. The buying public knows this but tech commentators often miss the point because they obsess about specs and stuff that often doesn't matter that much and the stuff that does matter a lot is often invisible to them. Hence Apple's baffling, from their point of view, success.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Do you have any evidence to support the notion that if attendees at Apple event write a critical review of a product that they will be disinvited to the next event? Any evidence at all?


Raise your hand if you have extensive experience dealing with Apple's PR dpt.

*raises hand*

Can't say more.

What strikes me about tech reviewers and Apple products is how often they underestimate the potential of Apple products by a quite staggering degree.

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I think you're confusing things. Very few tech reviewers underestimate Apple. In fact, they overestimate them. The comparisons between Jobs and people like Edison and Einstein are proof of that. The superlatives about how Apple invents this and Apple invents that, even though Apple hasn't actually invented anything new in close to 20 years - Apple doesn't invent, Apple perfects and polishes, and they do it very well. However, that's not inventing. They take existing functionality, and polish it. Heck, even Siri wasn't developed in-house. Apple bought it.

Only a few so-called "analysts" underestimate Apple because it brings them pageviews. Those are the people you are referring to, and those people are idiots.

I am a nerd, and hence, that's how I look at Apple's products. Just look at my reaction to when the iPad was unveiled - I wrote something along the lines of that I personally didn't see the point, but that Apple would most likely sell boatloads of them. I never conflate my nerdiness with Apple's ability to sell stuff.

What was demoed seems to be a functional AI system, in a phone, that actually works in the real world and does useful stuff. And it's not even at version 1 yet. The potential of this is enormous.


BAM. This is exactly what I mean when I state tech reviews and the press vastly overestimate Apple. What I, as a nerd, saw was this: a voice recognition system with a few more commands in its database than other systems - which might as well become a horrible problem (many times, simplicity > complexity).

The voice recognition system in, say , Windows Phone 7 works very well exactly because it's simple - "open Facebook", "text Renate", "check mail". Everybody can come up with those commands, since they make sense. Siri's system works exactly the same, it just has a few more commands to do the same thing. This could actually become very, very confusing.

In other words, unlike you or just about everyone in the technology press, I don't blindly believe a controlled Apple demo and proclaim halleluja - I want to test it out myself, see how well it works, and compare it to simpler (and therefore, possibly easier to use) systems. I don't just take Apple's word for it like you and the tech press do, easily impressed by a shiny object on a screen - I want to test it myself.

In other words, those "analysts" who write click-whoring pieces about supposed Apple failures are idiots, most of the technology press are gullible idiots who will believe whatever Apple shoves down their eyeballs, and I am a sceptic who refuses to believe anything until I've seen/used it myself.

The iPad was a good example - I didn't see the point when it was launched, but did say they'd most likely sell lots of them. When I got one myself, I finally got it, and admitted it easily in the review.

A reverse example: most of the tech press just parrot the Apple nonsense about "post-PC" and iOS being post-PC - even though iOS just a desktop interface with enlarged buttons crammed onto a mobile screen (and not a very good one at that).

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Define what you call AI in this post. I can think of two definitions right now. One has an official status among the field, but is very broad (computer program with an ability to learn), and every phone with an annoying T9 feature qualifies. The other is Hollywood's view of things, which you may argue best fits the average guy's expectations : to look, behave, etc... like a human being. I believe current phones, and computers as a whole, remain stupidly far from this : can iOS 5 understand metaphors and sarcasm now ? Write music ? Do poetry ? Drive a car ? Code its next release ? Or even, to pick something which some modern computers can actually do, win a TV game without an internet connection ?

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kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

Yes, tech journalists are generally idiots.


Not to like rub it in Thom but you gleefully put down other journalists and trump your platform of choice using totally random metrics and standards and you also tend to flip flop as and when it suits you.

I am not sure that really makes you a better tech journalist.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Platform of choice? And what would that be? Looking around my living room room, I see 4 different platforms I use every day (Linux, Windows, iOS, and WP7; my first Android device will be delivered tomorrow)....

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