Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Oct 2011 15:22 UTC
Internet & Networking "BT, Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin will be asked to offer customers the option to block adult content during subscription According to new measures to be announced by Prime Minister David Cameron, online pornography watchers will have to place a special request with their Internet Service providers (ISPs) to watch pornographic or sexualised content online. The prime minister is holding a summit at No.10 today with 30 media and retail executives, including broadcasters, magazine editors, trade bodies and advertisers, said the Daily Mail. Cameron is expected to announce the crackdown after Mothers Union charity chief executive Reg Bailey submitted a report on the matter after six months of study." The fact that this can happen in Great Britain just goes to show how brittle concepts like freedom of speech really are. Where people in the Arab world fight for the kinds of freedom we have, we in the west just hand them over to extremists. Un-frakking-believable. Any British folk in here? How on earth did you guys let this happen?
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RE: As a british subject
by Icaria on Wed 12th Oct 2011 15:31 UTC in reply to "As a british subject"
Icaria
Member since:
2010-06-19

People living in england will be able to more effectively control what their children see.

No, they won't. DNS filters are trivial to circumvent.

I just hope this doesn't work by using keywords

As has been explained multiple times in this thread, it's a DNS filter. Word filtering on this scale would result in a return to dial-up speeds.

I would still like my children to be able to access encyclopedias and other authoritive sources of information about the human body, and sex, but not have access to porn and such.

Then keep the PCs out of their rooms, put them in an open area, put a password on the PC, install filtering software at home. Any of the above. There's no reason why you have to wait for your gov't to do it. You were never powerless, only ignorant and you don't have that excuse any more.

Can't see that this has anything to do with freedom of speech, no ones freedom of speech has been taken away... if anyone wants to see this stuff they can
Creating a DNS filter that blocks out web sites, is enabled by default and is marketed as being 'anti child exploitation' is actively silencing sites that end up on the filter list. Even if it were strictly limited to porn, porn is still a valid form of speech.

if anything some peoples freedom to silence has been removed... they must now stand up and say I want to watch simulated rape and so on... which is a sacrafice I can live with.

This sentence doesn't even make sense. It's a binary: it's either on, or it's off. You don't get to tick each sub-genre of porn you want to watch.

The people who want this kind of stuff are adults, so they shoudl be adult enough to admit to wanting to watch it...
Well all I can say is may all your indiscretions and proclivities be listed and potentially published, too.

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RE[2]: As a british subject
by Coxy on Wed 12th Oct 2011 17:25 in reply to "RE: As a british subject"
Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

"Then keep the PCs out of their rooms, put them in an open area, put a password on the PC, install filtering software at home. Any of the above. There's no reason why you have to wait for your gov't to do it. You were never powerless, only ignorant and you don't have that excuse any more."

I shouldn't have to filter this stuff it should be done by the isp. Nobody wants to do this setup this stuff because it is to difficult and complicated except for nerds who have nothing better todo as they have no social life. It's not an excuse, that's what nerds say to belittle people who don't share their interest in computers. Should I have to grow plants and crops before I can eat vegetables? Customise a car and tune it before I can drive one? What a lot of shit - you only ever hear this from nerds who think that everyone is as interested in computers as them.

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This sentence doesn't even make sense. It's a binary: it's either on, or it's off. You don't get to tick each sub-genre of porn you want to watch. "

Then try re-reading it again it makes perfect sense.

"Well all I can say is may all your indiscretions and proclivities be listed and potentially published, too."

This doesn't even make any sense. What has this got to do with what I said or the topic at hand?

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RE[3]: As a british subject
by Icaria on Thu 13th Oct 2011 03:19 in reply to "RE[2]: As a british subject"
Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

I shouldn't have to filter this stuff it should be done by the isp.
If you want to coddle your kids, do it yourself. Making it everyone else's responsibility (and making everyone else pay for it, in every sense of the phrase) is a cop-out.

Nobody wants to do this setup this stuff because it is to difficult
Buying a box and following a wizard isn't 'too difficult'. If you can't do that, then get the same geek who installed Office for you to do it. The reason most people don't bother is that they really don't give a shit; they'll just give the appearance of caring if asked. If you were really that worried, you would have sought advice and installed filtering software back when you first signed up with an ISP.

and complicated except for nerds who have nothing better todo as they have no social life.
Good job lashing out. You're responsible for kids, did you say?

Should I have to grow plants and crops before I can eat vegetables? Customise a car and tune it before I can drive one?
Depends, are you going to die if you see some titties? Shit analogy.

Then try re-reading it again it makes perfect sense.

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This doesn't even make any sense.
Now you're just childishly contradicting me. Again, you're responsible for kids?

What has this got to do with what I said or the topic at hand?
It's called special pleading, dear. If you think people who want to watch porn, "shou[ld] be adult enough to admit to wanting to watch it", you should be willing to front up and divulge all your deepest, darkest secrets, as an act of good faith and logical consistency.

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RE[3]: As a british subject
by Kivada on Thu 13th Oct 2011 04:00 in reply to "RE[2]: As a british subject"
Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

OK, try never maintaining your car, how long before it dies from old oil and dirty filters, you can't pass emissions and get pulled over for having blown signal lights?

There are plenty of computer shops out there, that just like mechanics, will do for you what you are too incompetent to do.

Also, everything you're for is plain ass ignorance, and last I checked ignorance doesn't hold up in court, hence why you would be held responsible for running an open wifi router that someone else used for any nefarious act, just as in many places you would be fined if someone where to steal your car that you left the keys in and running.

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RE[3]: As a british subject
by Soulbender on Thu 13th Oct 2011 15:29 in reply to "RE[2]: As a british subject"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Customise a car and tune it before I can drive one?


You can already use the internet just fine without tuning. What you want is customization and for that you'll have to either learn how to do it yourself or pay someone. Just like when customizing and tuning a car.

Edited 2011-10-13 15:30 UTC

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