Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Oct 2011 21:33 UTC, submitted by mahmudinashar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ah, it's that time of the year again. We already had this up on the sidebar, but I figured we'd turn it into a proper front page item - mostly because I want to discuss the move by the Ubuntu team to no longer install GNOME 2 as the 'classic' desktop option - which pretty much ends any and all involvement for me with Ubuntu (KDE 4 here I come). There's more to this than just that, of course, so those of you who do like Unity still have enough reason to upgrade.
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RE: Xfce is the right place to go
by lemur2 on Thu 13th Oct 2011 22:40 UTC in reply to "Xfce is the right place to go"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

I don't quite get how people can move to KDE from Gnome. For me applications are much more important than DE. If I move to Xfce I can stay on Gnome apps. If I move to KDE, I'll have a hard time using Gnome apps there (they just look and feel afwul). I'm not changing my favourite apps for a DE. So the only natural choice is moving to Xfce. BTW, I'm not in a hurry either. I can happily live with 11.04 for a while. I have hopes that either Gnome Shell or Unity will become more customizable and it's just a matter of time someone comes along with a proper interface for power users. Let's not forget Gnome 2 was almost never used "vanilla" style. Every significant distro (especially Ubuntu) customized and patched it heavily. That's what will happen to Gnome 3 and its two current shells, Gnome's and Unity.


KDE4 has great support for GTK applications. The look and feel GTK applications under KDE4 is such that they are indistinguishable from Qt and KDE applications at first glance.

I'll do a screenshot as proof when I get home if you like, but really, you are very much out of date, this has been fixed on KDE for ages. The only problem these days is that KDE applications look terrible under GNOME ...

KDE4 has far, far better support for and integration of GTK applications than GNOME has support for KDE/Qt applications.

As for GNOME applications (as opposed to GTK applications) such as Nautilis and Evolution ... just drop them as they bring in a whole heap of GNOME dependencies. Use Dolphin for the File Manager and Kontact or Thunderbird as your email/calendar/PIM application and you will be sweet.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Partially true.

KDE doesn't have better integration of Gnome/GTK+ apps than Gnome has of KDE/Qt apps. But they are surely difficult to tell apart. Cross desktop integration has improved greatly in the last couple of years. When in Gnome I often mistake Qt4 applications for being GTK+ and GTK+ for being Qt when in KDE (when it was installed).

Visually KDE4 is much nicer looking than Gnome 2.x. If just that silly nepomuk-semantic-desktop-stuff would stop crashing and start being actually useful.

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Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

The KDE desktop itself is not a problem. The problem is Dolphin & Co, and the way KDE wants to be integrated tightly towards these K* apps.

KDE itself alone is a blasting desktop. But dude, using Dolphin for 5 minutes can give you a headache. Not to mention other useless K* apps. I mostly use GTK apps which are the preferred and used by millions.

The only K* app I admire is K3B. But Amarok, KSCD, and other King-kong names... I just don't choose them. Let's be sincere. Who is the one who uses KOffice here? Two people on earth?

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

The KDE desktop itself is not a problem. The problem is Dolphin & Co, and the way KDE wants to be integrated tightly towards these K* apps. KDE itself alone is a blasting desktop. But dude, using Dolphin for 5 minutes can give you a headache. Not to mention other useless K* apps. I mostly use GTK apps which are the preferred and used by millions. The only K* app I admire is K3B. But Amarok, KSCD, and other King-kong names... I just don't choose them. Let's be sincere. Who is the one who uses KOffice here? Two people on earth?


Dolphin is a very good file manager. It can be easily configured

http://dolphin.kde.org/features.html

from a single-pane bare minimum keep-out-of-your way file manager as simplistic as Windows explorer:

http://dolphin.kde.org/images/view_mode_1.png

all the way through to a split-window, tabbed, full-featured, all-the-bling-you want mode:

http://dolphin.kde.org/images/all_features.png

As for the application names, users don't see them. On the menus, you run Dolphin by clicking on the menu entry labelled "File Manager" which comes under the "Utilities" section.

KOffice is about to be replaced, BTW, with Calligra Office 2.4 for KDE4, which is now in beta:

http://www.calligra-suite.org/

Have a look around, you might be surprised by what this new about-to-be-released Office suite can do. Calligra Office suite, BTW, is split into a core an a series of front-end UIs. Also about to be released is Calligra Active, designed to run on touchscreen tablets under Plasma Active. AFAIK this is the only free Office suite designed to run on tablets.

You don't need to run KSCD to play CDs, there are many other music player apps which you can use instead. Amarok will happily play CDs. If you don't like Amarok, run Clementine. If even Clementine is too much for you, run Bangarang.

http://www.clementine-player.org/

http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/

If you just want a media player rather than a music collection browser, run VLC.

NOTE: many of these apps do not have a "k" in their name.

Edited 2011-10-14 00:26 UTC

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