Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Oct 2011 21:33 UTC, submitted by mahmudinashar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ah, it's that time of the year again. We already had this up on the sidebar, but I figured we'd turn it into a proper front page item - mostly because I want to discuss the move by the Ubuntu team to no longer install GNOME 2 as the 'classic' desktop option - which pretty much ends any and all involvement for me with Ubuntu (KDE 4 here I come). There's more to this than just that, of course, so those of you who do like Unity still have enough reason to upgrade.
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Everyone loves to hate unity
by p13. on Thu 13th Oct 2011 23:23 UTC
p13.
Member since:
2005-07-10

I'll admit, i was skeptical at first. I remember the UNR days and i wasn't looking forward to it.

I tried 11.04, and yes, it was lacking ... but i honestly didn't understand what all the damn fuss was about.
Now in 11.10, i can say it's quite solid and even pleasant to use. You might not agree with the ideas and/or methods behind it, but then that's your problem isn't it?
Should you happen to dislike it, then you are free to install whatever DE you wish. No one is limiting your choices or freedom to choose between DE's.
Me personally ... i liked KDE 1/2/3, i liked gnome 1.4x and 2.x. I don't like KDE4 (at all) and i don't like gnome3. I do like unity because it stays out of my way (mostly).
I've used wmaker as my main wm for ages, i liked that a lot too and guess what ... unity is faster to use since it lets me search for stuff and find it instantly.
Zealots will be zealots and new things are, by default, bad and evil.
Sure, i could get all my work done with screen/tmux, (al)pine, (e)links, vi(m), etc, etc. But you know what? I don't want to. I've been in this game long enough to just want something that works and stays out of my way. Unity does that for me (mostly), and i think they (canonical) are doing a fine job.
I'm quite convinced that at least half of you didn't even try it out ... and i mean really try it out, not dismiss it after 5 mins. It's not very customizeable (sp?), that's true, although a lot of the behavior can be changed using gconf-editor and ccsm with the unity plugin. This will come, in due time. I remember the days of manually editing gtkrc files to "customize" gnome.

I have other problems with ubuntu, unrelated to the DE. For example: / should not be mounted rw in single user, the initrd should remount it rw from ro, etc, but that's off topic.

Honestly, i'm starting to get old-ish in this game. I first started using linux 15 yrs ago. Had to recompile the kernel for everything, no modules.

I've seen and used a lot of window managers. As a DE, unity (at least IMHO) is very good, if not almost perfect. Customization will come in due time and extensions will too.

I don't like how canonical handled the "transition" or should i say "non-transition" and how they forced it upon developers though, but i don't get involved in politics. If i don't like what i see, i move on and don't whine about it.

Kr,

-Kevin

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AFreeQuark Member since:
2011-02-21

That... was the first mature and reasonable thing I have ever heard anyone say about Unity. And then there was all of that non-zealotry about desktop environments! Thank you for injecting a bit of Reason into this topic.

I largely agree with your sentiments of pragmatism. My tastes are slightly different, but I certainly respect your own.

*tip of hat*

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RE: Everyone loves to hate unity
by DMon on Mon 17th Oct 2011 21:22 in reply to "Everyone loves to hate unity"
DMon Member since:
2011-09-30

Have to agree P13 (aka Kevin). Unity is not that big a deal. Bugs will get worked out and frankly the unity interface stays out of my way most of the time. I do wish I could make the icon's smaller than 32 pxl, but otherwise the system works for the most part. I liked the old CTRL+F2 functionality and being able to edit my last used but otherwise it's still works and you sometimes have to type a little more. It's not a deal breaker.

I look forward to it's changes that will eventually come but otherwise it works. I still have my shell commands and I'm still more productive with unity than I am with Windows 7 or Mac. But that is mean.

All systems can be better. If you are not happy with the one you have then use one that you are happy with. If you are just unhappy with everything then code your own or start participating in the various communities with constructive criticism. Stop the pissing and whining about the glory days of way back win.

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RE: Everyone loves to hate unity
by ndrw on Tue 18th Oct 2011 04:59 in reply to "Everyone loves to hate unity"
ndrw Member since:
2009-06-30

I don't mind having Unity installed. I don't even mind having it as a default desktop (although it won't stay long that way on my desktop). BTW, it doesn't exactly work OK, during 5 minutes I spent trying it I found a handful of major usability issues or bugs (anyone knows why Firefox menu takes 2 seconds to open under Unity?).

What's bad about Unity is that Ubuntu in pursue of some design goals keeps breaking other desktops (particularly Gnome 2 and Compiz). Even in XFCE I can occasionally see some artefacts (scrollbars, notification, power management) which take some time to fix.

If things continue that way (that is if the amount of work needed to maintain the desktop further increases) that will be a clear signal to jump the ship and go to a vendor who actually cares about opinion of users (Mint? someone else?).

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