Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Oct 2011 21:33 UTC, submitted by mahmudinashar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ah, it's that time of the year again. We already had this up on the sidebar, but I figured we'd turn it into a proper front page item - mostly because I want to discuss the move by the Ubuntu team to no longer install GNOME 2 as the 'classic' desktop option - which pretty much ends any and all involvement for me with Ubuntu (KDE 4 here I come). There's more to this than just that, of course, so those of you who do like Unity still have enough reason to upgrade.
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RE[2]: Sigh...
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 16th Oct 2011 10:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

"So, gave the latest KDE a try. As usual, a total and utter waste of time.

I do not have enough fingers to count the number of crashes I experienced the past 60 minutes. Twice, the crash reporter... Crashed. Kwin performance was horrible, as usual (YES LEMUR2 I USED THE OPEN SOURCE DRIVER). Way to ruin a once great project, guys!


Calm down Thom.

I too have (obviously) installed KDE, and I am running it now on my under-powered netbbok. It runs remarkably well, and it shows absolutely no sign of crashing.

Now Thom, if we are running the same applications, and the same desktop OS, but different kernel and drivers, and we are having diametrically opposite experiences, where do you imagine this difference in experience is arising from exactly?

So why do you blame the KDE project?
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I have run all .x versions of KDE4, all on various different hardware configurations, using various different drivers, using various different distributions, and all experiences have been the same: crash-prone, and slow Kwin performance. And you're STILL trying to tell me it's not KDE that's at fault here? Especially since the GNOME versions of the used distributions performed just fine?

Whatever dude.

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RE[3]: Sigh...
by lemur2 on Sun 16th Oct 2011 22:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Sigh..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I have run all .x versions of KDE4, all on various different hardware configurations, using various different drivers, using various different distributions, and all experiences have been the same: crash-prone, and slow Kwin performance. And you're STILL trying to tell me it's not KDE that's at fault here? Especially since the GNOME versions of the used distributions performed just fine? Whatever dude.


I can't think what you are doing wrong, it is beyond me. GNOME does include a number of work-arounds for parts of the kernel/driver stack that are supposed to work (but don't always). I don't believe that KDE does include kludges and work-arounds of this nature.

I, for example, have had no such trouble when running .x versions of KDE4 where x=2,4,6 or 7 (minor trouble with x=2 and 5), all on various different hardware configurations, using various different drivers, using various different distributions.

The minor trouble I did have with some versions of KDE4 was avoided either by disabling desktop effects, or using Xrender with desktop effects. Perhaps that may help in your case, but from your tone I doubt if you would think it worth your while to try. Such a pity, because KDE4 really does work very well indeed if the underlying kernel and drivers work.

I suppose this just re-enforces the point that in order for people to be able to use and enjoy an operating system on commodity hardware, it really must come pre-installed by the hardware vendor (as it is for Windows and OSX). Self-installed operating systems may fail in obscure ways (for any OS).

Edited 2011-10-16 22:28 UTC

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RE[4]: Sigh...
by saynte on Mon 17th Oct 2011 05:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Sigh..."
saynte Member since:
2007-12-10

Do you believe that kernel drivers and hardware have something to do with the crash dialog crashing?

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