Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Oct 2011 21:33 UTC, submitted by mahmudinashar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ah, it's that time of the year again. We already had this up on the sidebar, but I figured we'd turn it into a proper front page item - mostly because I want to discuss the move by the Ubuntu team to no longer install GNOME 2 as the 'classic' desktop option - which pretty much ends any and all involvement for me with Ubuntu (KDE 4 here I come). There's more to this than just that, of course, so those of you who do like Unity still have enough reason to upgrade.
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RE[7]: Sigh...
by lemur2 on Mon 17th Oct 2011 22:17 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Sigh..."
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You are reading a techie website yet you seem to have little understanding of what could make software unstable.

Au contraire I have many years experience at debugging and fixing software, even on real-time systems, highly complex systems and embedded systems (where diagnostic tools are often minimal, and bugs are very hard to track down).

The very first step is to figure out when and where it works, and when and where it doesn't work. Once you can reliably make it fail, the next step is to figure out what is different about when and where it fails compared to when and where it doesn't.

If there are a lot of different systems where it doesn't fail, and a few where it does, then by far the most likely site of the fault is in the places where the systems differ, rather than the places where they are common.

The problem with trying to force your opinions on others is additional frustration as now not only do they have to work through issues with KDE they also have to put up with people repeatedly saying "Well it works fine here so you must be wrong". At best you could encourage people who are having issues to raise a bug report and if many people chime in with evidence of the problem it will probably be confirmed and then fixed. At worst (what you are currently doing) is just denying the possibility that although something works for you it may not work for others. For example, it is not a good idea for people who do not have type 1 diabetes to inject insulin just before or after meals, but injecting insulin can work great for people who do have type 1 diabetes.

Der. Let me teach you how to suck eggs ...

Edited 2011-10-17 22:17 UTC

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RE[8]: Sigh...
by saynte on Tue 18th Oct 2011 07:04 in reply to "RE[7]: Sigh..."
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I agree with the grand-parent, you haven't demonstrated a sound approach to bug hunting. You've basically just shown that you're going to divert blame from KDE no matter what. The only solid crash-information that Thom provided was that the crash-handler crashed, and your diagnosis was "the kernel or some hardware". The fact that Thom blamed KDE was the right thing to do! Even if he's wrong, you start with the thing that crashed: if KMail crashes blame KMail first, if Dolphin crashes, blame Dolphin.

Just open up the KDE bug tracker, you'll find a bunch of reasons why applications could have crashed. You can't take bugs in KDE as a person affront to your virtue.

The KDE devs could certainly never take your "stick-your-head-in-the-sand" approach, if they want the fruits of their labour to improve.

I think you're just offended that people rag on KDE once in a while and you try to somehow balance it out by claiming there are no problems because YOU didn't see them. Then again, you rag on GNOME once in a while too; probably just a case of some confirmation bias.

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RE[8]: Sigh...
by aaronb on Tue 18th Oct 2011 17:17 in reply to "RE[7]: Sigh..."
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Der. Let me teach you how to suck eggs ...

This just demonstrates your inability to see things from more than one perspective.

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