Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Oct 2011 21:02 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless What many of us wondered the moment Research In Motion announced the PlayBook's QNX-based operating system has now transpired: the Canadian smartphone and tablet company has announced BBX, their QNX-based operating system for both smartphones and tablets - in other words, the expansion of the PlayBook operating system into smartphones.
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by Morgan on Wed 19th Oct 2011 08:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Morgan
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2005-06-29

Most consumers buy a BlackBerry for the BlackBerry Messenger, because other people told them it's like free texting. Apart from that I know no reason why anyone would want to buy a BlackBerry.


I went back to BlackBerry as my main phone not for the BBM app but for the battery life, the stability of the OS, the ability to have Push support for all of my email (as opposed to only one account on Android)...

I could keep going, but suffice to say that the two areas where BlackBerry devices really excel is as an actual phone and as a robust email device. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Android operating system and on a tablet like the Nook Color I think it's superb. But even the flagship phone I had for a while (MyTouch 4G) was woefully unreliable as a telephone. The battery lasted barely a full work day even if I never turned the screen on. The touchscreen, while gorgeous and easy to use, was constantly coming on during calls and causing problems. As I mentioned before (and this is the OS not the hardware) I require Push support for three email addresses and with Android I could only have Push on one at a time.

All that said, with a boost to battery life the MyTouch would have been like having a small tablet. I think that form factor is where the OS truly shines. Granted I haven't played with the hybrid tablet/phone version yet, but unless they fix the email inadequacies and start taking advantage of huge phone bodies to fit bigger batteries (Moto Droid series I'm looking at you) I just don't see myself going back to the platform.

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by libray on Wed 19th Oct 2011 16:35 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
libray Member since:
2005-08-27

I also went to Blackberry after "jumping ship" from HP. Palm stopped producing Treo's and thus left a void in the power user smartphone market. The Androids and iPhones of the wold are more "eye candy" to me than power user's tools. And for this reason, you see a couple of Pro this or that being made (Galaxy Pro, Droid Pro) but those are still just Android under the hood.

However, I, unlike old time BB users, do not link my personal account to the BB datacenter. I use a third party email client that allows connecting to IMAPS and SMTPS directly called Logicmail. It's one reason that I was not personally bothered by the datacenter problems that RIM had.

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by phoenix on Wed 19th Oct 2011 20:31 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"Most consumers buy a BlackBerry for the BlackBerry Messenger, because other people told them it's like free texting. Apart from that I know no reason why anyone would want to buy a BlackBerry.


I went back to BlackBerry as my main phone not for the BBM app but for the battery life, the stability of the OS, the ability to have Push support for all of my email (as opposed to only one account on Android)...
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What version of Android prevented you from access more than one e-mail account? And what e-mail app?

Android 2.3.3 (the first version I've played with) supports Exchange ActiveSync for as many accounts as you want to add (not sure exactly if it's push, poll, or IMAP IDLE or something else).

And the Moxier Pro app that came with this phone includes "Direct Push" (as in, notification of each message as it arrives on the server) for as many accounts as you want to add, along with a couple of other notification options.

I could keep going, but suffice to say that the two areas where BlackBerry devices really excel is as an actual phone and as a robust email device. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Android operating system and on a tablet like the Nook Color I think it's superb. But even the flagship phone I had for a while (MyTouch 4G) was woefully unreliable as a telephone. The battery lasted barely a full work day even if I never turned the screen on. The touchscreen, while gorgeous and easy to use, was constantly coming on during calls and causing problems. As I mentioned before (and this is the OS not the hardware) I require Push support for three email addresses and with Android I could only have Push on one at a time.


Sounds like you're lambasting Android for an issue that HTC created with their SenseUI and included apps. Get a better (non-HTC) phone, get a better Android experience. ;)

That's like someone picking up a BB Storm (that's the first touchscreen device, right?) and then complaining the all BBs suck. ;) Hardly a fair comparison considering how poorly the Storm's screen worked, how slow the hardware was, how crappy everything about it was.

Granted I haven't played with the hybrid tablet/phone version yet, but unless they fix the email inadequacies and start taking advantage of huge phone bodies to fit bigger batteries (Moto Droid series I'm looking at you) I just don't see myself going back to the platform.


The e-mail inadequacies do not exist. At least, not on my Xperia Pro running Android 2.3.3, using either the default e-mail app, or the included Moxier Pro. (Connecting via ActiveSync to a Zimbra groupware server.)

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by Morgan on Thu 20th Oct 2011 05:33 in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

What version of Android prevented you from access more than one e-mail account? And what e-mail app?


I never said I only had access to one email account under Android. I said I only had Push support for one account (the main Google account). The rest are polling accounts. This fact is well known in the Android community, and in the past when I only worked one job it wasn't as big a deal. But with two regular jobs and contract work, I simply need something more versatile. To answer your question, I started with 1.6 on the Moto Cliq, tried the official update to 2.1, then rooted it and put on a de-Blurred Moto ROM and later Cyanogen 7. The other phone was an HTC MyTouch 4G, first with 2.2 then the official 2.3 update.

Android 2.3.3 (the first version I've played with) supports Exchange ActiveSync for as many accounts as you want to add (not sure exactly if it's push, poll, or IMAP IDLE or something else).


Exchange is not a solution for me, as none of my email accounts are Exchange-based. Exchange works similar to Push from my understanding; it delivers the message the moment it hits the server, much like an SMS message.

And the Moxier Pro app that came with this phone includes "Direct Push" (as in, notification of each message as it arrives on the server) for as many accounts as you want to add, along with a couple of other notification options.


I'm curious to know what phone that is. ;) While I would never consider purchasing an app just to do what the phone should do by default, it would be nice if all Android based devices came with such an app for free.

Sounds like you're lambasting Android for an issue that HTC created with their SenseUI and included apps. Get a better (non-HTC) phone, get a better Android experience. ;)


I've had two Android phones, the MyTouch and a Motorola Cliq, which I still have and it is now rooted with a Cyanogen build. The screen issues are also present with the Cliq, and they persist no matter what software is on the device. This is one of those specific areas where Apple's iPhone hardware beats many (not all) Android phones. My solution for the screen issues was not to get a better Android phone, but to go back to a non-touch screen phone. ;)

That's like someone picking up a BB Storm (that's the first touchscreen device, right?) and then complaining the all BBs suck. ;) Hardly a fair comparison considering how poorly the Storm's screen worked, how slow the hardware was, how crappy everything about it was.


I had one of the original Storms (yes it was the first touch based BlackBerry), unlocked and on AT&T. For the most part it was a great phone, especially after the last software upgrade. I've also played with a Storm 2, and it was even better. I have a feeling the Torch may be in my future, if I can find out for sure there are no major issues with the touch screen or the new OS.

The e-mail inadequacies do not exist. At least, not on my Xperia Pro running Android 2.3.3, using either the default e-mail app, or the included Moxier Pro. (Connecting via ActiveSync to a Zimbra groupware server.)


I'm sorry but they do indeed exist for me. You have a backend that works with a phone that you chose, therefore your phone works for you, and that's great. My needs happen to be met better by a BlackBerry than by an Android based device, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure why you are arguing otherwise.

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by imtiaz on Thu 20th Oct 2011 17:25 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
imtiaz Member since:
2005-07-06

all the problem in android phone you mentioned is in my HTC sensation and I am quite annoyed about them. though I like the phone and the OS but as phone these issues are irritating gives headache. I just accept a call and they become missed call and regularly I can't hear people calling and I have to call back.
Never use android phone for calling !!!!!!!!!!!

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