Linked by Antonio Ospite on Fri 21st Oct 2011 23:35 UTC
Gnome Antonio Ospite explores Gnome 3 in fall-back mode and tries to make it look and behave more like Gnome 2.32 again. This summer Linus Torvalds made it to the news for complaining about the gnome-shell design; Gnome fall-back mode is the solution for those like Linus who can't - or better, do not want to - use gnome-shell just yet.
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Dump Gnome
by tomz on Fri 21st Oct 2011 23:51 UTC
tomz
Member since:
2010-05-06

IIRC Linus moved to Xfce. Eric Raymond after several hours is also looking to move there. I'm moving away from Gnome to Xfce as I upgrade.

Gnome Shell is a crippled, half-working version that still requires a lot of manual or quirky programs to configure it to get anywhere near the earlier experience.

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RE: Dump Gnome
by Peter Besenbruch on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 04:01 in reply to "Dump Gnome"
Peter Besenbruch Member since:
2006-03-13

IIRC Linus moved to Xfce. Eric Raymond after several hours is also looking to move there. I'm moving away from Gnome to Xfce as I upgrade.


It's important to understand ESR's objections to Gnome 3. You can read them here:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3822

His biggest objection to Gnome is this: "While you can add applets to the fake GNOME panel, you cannot remove them or shuffle them around. Eventually, by making a fresh account, taking checksums of its dotfiles, adding an applet, and taking checksums again, I found out that the new panel configuration lives in a file called .config/dconf/user that is an opaque binary blob."

ESR is right, using binary blobs for configuration is a major UNIX sin. As he writes: "burying my configuration inside an opaque binary blob – that is unforgivably stupid and bad engineering. How did forty years of Unix heritage comes to this?"

Gnome Shell is a crippled, half-working version that still requires a lot of manual or quirky programs to configure it to get anywhere near the earlier experience.


I haven't been able to try the new Gnome out out, as it doesn't like Virtualbox.

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RE[2]: Dump Gnome
by Soulbender on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 07:31 in reply to "RE: Dump Gnome"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Usually I don't care what ESR thinks of anything but....binary blob configuration? What in the holy hell?
I mean, even MS is moving away from the binary blob registry ad somehow, somewhere, someone in GNOME thinks this abomination is a good idea?
In Gods name, Why?
For shame.

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RE[2]: Dump Gnome
by ebassi on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 07:32 in reply to "RE: Dump Gnome"
ebassi Member since:
2006-02-28

ESR should lay down the crack pipe, and you with him.

you two obviously haven't been working for the past 6 or 7 years to optimize the startup time of a complex system, with multiple moving parts, all reading the configuration from a centralized source (necessary so that you get notifications when anything changes, instead of using a ton of file system notifications and run through the kernel limits).

using text for the database is stupid, wasteful, and totally inefficient.

text for configuration is useful if you have to read it once, and the only write operation happens as the user opens the file with a text editor; imagine if we said that Gnome users had to stop the session to change the settings, and that there would be no settings UI whatsoever.

oh, well, this is ESR, who doesn't believe in allocating memory, and left a static array of 1024 multi-kilobyte structures in GPSD:

http://gypsy.freedesktop.org/why-not-gpsd.html

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RE[2]: Dump Gnome
by Delgarde on Mon 24th Oct 2011 20:53 in reply to "RE: Dump Gnome"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

So, the 'binary blob' comes from dconf, which provides an implementation of Glib's settings API. If you don't like it, there's nothing stopping anyone from writing a replacement that uses text files - in theory, it wouldn't be all that hard, as none of the Gnome code should be using dconf directly...

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RE: Dump Gnome
by Clinton on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 04:21 in reply to "Dump Gnome"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

I like Gnome 3. Yes, it isn't perfect and I have to fiddle with text files more than I'd like to, but overall I still like it.

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RE: Dump Gnome
by chemical_scum on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 05:10 in reply to "Dump Gnome"
chemical_scum Member since:
2005-11-02

I'm moving away from Gnome to Xfce as I upgrade.


Me too !

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RE[2]: Dump Gnome
by JLF65 on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 16:27 in reply to "RE: Dump Gnome"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm moving away from Gnome to Xfce as I upgrade.


Me too !


I moved to Xubuntu years ago. Gnome and KDE became huge, bloated, slow, and buggy... XFCE was a drink of cool clear water on a hot afternoon. ;)

All my systems now run Xubuntu - all the advantages of the Ubuntu devs and repos with all the goodness that is XFCE.

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RE: Dump Gnome
by 3rdalbum on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 08:51 in reply to "Dump Gnome"
3rdalbum Member since:
2008-05-26


Gnome Shell is a crippled, half-working version that still requires a lot of manual or quirky programs to configure it to get anywhere near the earlier experience.


Gnome Shell is Gnome Shell, it's not Gnome 2. It's not MEANT to be anything like the earlier experience. If you use it as a desktop environment in its own right rather than just "They took away my Gnome 2" then you'll be much happier.

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RE[2]: Dump Gnome
by zima on Fri 28th Oct 2011 23:17 in reply to "RE: Dump Gnome"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

The whole thing is indeed not Gnome 2, it's called Gnome 3 - such name suggests a reasonably incremental modifications; something MEANT to be reasonably close to earlier experience.

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RE: Dump Gnome
by Hussein on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 12:55 in reply to "Dump Gnome"
Hussein Member since:
2008-11-22

I suggest LXDE

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