Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Oct 2011 23:17 UTC, submitted by jello
Apple So, how serious is the legal battle between Apple and the various Android phone makers, really? Surely, it's just logical business sense that's behind it, right? Calculated, well-planned precision strikes designed to hurt Android where simply making better, more innovative products isn't enough? Well, no, not really. We already knew Steve Jobs took this personal - now we know just how personal.
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So I guess that...
by tuma324 on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 00:16 UTC
tuma324
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2010-04-09

karma's a bitch?

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by jackeebleu on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 01:04 in reply to "So I guess that..."
RE[2]: So I guess that...
by WorknMan on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 01:10 in reply to "RE: So I guess that..."
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2005-11-13

Schmidt sat on the board of Apple. Saw the product pipeline for years to come, and then suddenly the product offering change from Google changes. Google announces that they are going to release a smartphone that was initially supposed to look like a BB, but ended up looking like an iPhone, Cloud based apps, a tablet, and a unified OS. Just coincidence huh?


Doesn't really matter; these operating systems are constantly stealing features from each other (iOS5 stole Android notifications from Android, while ICS stole the new folder creation stuff from iOS, and also stole Fizzy Lifting Drinks from WebOS and WP7).

This whole 'who copied who' shit is getting old, especially in the smartphone realm, and it really needs to be buried once and for all. Even if you could prove indefinitely which one copied more, it still doesn't matter, because people are going to use what they want to use regardless of where it was copied from.

Arguing over this stuff is like competing in the special olympics ...

Edited 2011-10-22 01:12 UTC

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RE[2]: So I guess that...
by leos on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 01:26 in reply to "RE: So I guess that..."
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Karma, has nothing to do with it. Schmidt sat on the board of Apple. Saw the product pipeline for years to come, and then suddenly the product offering change from Google changes. Google announces that they are going to release a smartphone that was initially supposed to look like a BB, but ended up looking like an iPhone, Cloud based apps, a tablet, and a unified OS. Just coincidence huh?

You can Google any of claims if you like, they are all true.


Exactly. I'll copy this post from reddit which sums it up:

""He's spot on. There's plenty of ways a $150b+ company can make a mobile OS, see Windows Phone for example.
Google bought Android when it was a BlackBerry clone, and when iPhone debuted they turned it into an iOS clone, no one can seriously deny this"

The problem is not solely that Android was just an iPhone clone. It's that Apple and Google had a very close relationship before that so this was a pretty serious stab in the back. Hence the personal vendetta.
This is not about copying a little feature here and there. This is about turning around to go after a former partner's main strategy. Like as if Apple had gone and made a search engine.

Android is not fundamentally innovative. Of course there are good features (ie, notification system) but it's no major change in design. At least a platform like Windows Phone thought about the whole experience and tried to make something different.

Edited 2011-10-22 01:29 UTC

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RE[2]: So I guess that...
by JAlexoid on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 02:37 in reply to "RE: So I guess that..."
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2009-05-19

Saw the product pipeline for years to come, and then suddenly the product offering change from Google changes.


1st point: How about timing? Touch oriented Android was presented for the first time a very long time after iPhone was released. First device was released a year and 3 months after iPhone was released. almost 2 years after iPhone was announced. If Schmidt had any insider information, wouldn't Android be touch oriented from the start?

2nd point: Schmidt was CEO of a company that publicly bought Android in 2005, when he was asked by Steve to join Apple's board in 2006.

3rd point: There is such a thing called industrial espionage and trade secrets. If Schmidt committed industrial espionage, then the trial would have been quick. However, with all that fury no accusations were made. Only nutters online allege it.

4th point: Steve said that iPhone was developed in secret.

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by tylerdurden on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 03:05 in reply to "RE: So I guess that..."
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Android was founded in '02, and then it was acquired by Google in '04/'05. Apple started the development of the iPhone in '05.


So either Schmidt has time traveling abilities, or you have fallen into the famous Steve Jobs reality distortion field.

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RE[2]: So I guess that...
by TechGeek on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 03:22 in reply to "RE: So I guess that..."
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2006-01-14

Karma, has nothing to do with it. Schmidt sat on the board of Apple. Saw the product pipeline for years to come, and then suddenly the product offering change from Google changes. Google announces that they are going to release a smartphone that was initially supposed to look like a BB, but ended up looking like an iPhone, Cloud based apps, a tablet, and a unified OS. Just coincidence huh?

You can Google any of claims if you like, they are all true.


Lets be honest about something. When you sit on the board of a company, there are a lot of eyes on you. As Schmidt worked for Google, he would not, and was not, privy to any discussions that would have been a conflict of interest. To do so would have put Schmidt personally in the cross hairs of a multi billion dollar law suit. Lots of boards from lots of companies have members on other boards. While Schmidt probably knew Apple was working on a phone, he would not have had any first hand knowledge of the actual design.

EDIT: To suggest otherwise is laughable considering the secrecy of Apple about their products. Do you really think Steve Jobs would allow a competitor a preview of what they were building?

Edited 2011-10-22 03:24 UTC

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RE[2]: So I guess that...
by pgeorgi on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 19:49 in reply to "RE: So I guess that..."
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2010-02-18

a smartphone that was initially supposed to look like a BB, but ended up looking like an iPhone

In case you're referring to that devboard picture that floats around on the web: devboards look like that, keyboard and all.

It's simply easier to debug these boxes with real keys instead of relying on a metric ton of software just to be able to enter "reboot".

I'm not saying that there wasn't such a deliberate move (no idea), but that picture is not a good proof.

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RE[2]: So I guess that...
by andydread on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 20:57 in reply to "RE: So I guess that..."
andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

Karma, has nothing to do with it. Schmidt sat on the board of Apple. Saw the product pipeline for years to come, and then suddenly the product offering change from Google changes. Google announces that they are going to release a smartphone that was initially supposed to look like a BB, but ended up looking like an iPhone, Cloud based apps, a tablet, and a unified OS. Just coincidence huh?

You can Google any of claims if you like, they are all true.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

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