Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Oct 2011 23:17 UTC, submitted by jello
Apple So, how serious is the legal battle between Apple and the various Android phone makers, really? Surely, it's just logical business sense that's behind it, right? Calculated, well-planned precision strikes designed to hurt Android where simply making better, more innovative products isn't enough? Well, no, not really. We already knew Steve Jobs took this personal - now we know just how personal.
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RE[4]: Pirates of Silicon Valley
by Moredhas on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 09:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Pirates of Silicon Valley"
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Google have come forward saying the ICS source will be released. Really, wait until ICS devices hit the shelves before you go complaining the source isn't out.

As for Honeycomb, it was embarrassing and hacked together, according to Google. A stop-gap measure to get tablets out. The changes made for Honeycomb are refined or redone, ICS source makes the Honeycomb source redundant.

Edited 2011-10-22 09:13 UTC

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frderi Member since:

And its about damn time too, if they want to keep this so called "monniker" that the thing is open to begin with.

Mind you, "open" for Android means just open for manufacturers. Not end users. Sources for the chipsets of the specific phones aren't included, thus, the source code is useless to upgrade your phone. On how many present day phones will ICS work? Zero. For me, this is not the spirit and intention of GPL.

Meanwhile, my 2+ year old iPhone 3GS, sans the ideologic BS that its free and open and its the better thing for human society, is humming away just fine on iOS5, the latest version. Talk about warped values.

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Moredhas Member since:

Most Google people I'm following on G+ say most Gingerbread devices should be capable of an ICS upgrade. That implies to me they haven't changed enough of the kernel to render the old device drivers incompatible, so the third party ROM makers shouldn't have nearly as much trouble porting ICS to Gingerbread phones as they've had porting Donut, Eclair and Froyo to Cupcake devices.

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unclefester Member since:

In Australia an unlocked Galaxy SII costs 45% less than an unlocked iPhone 4S.

Apple just allows you to keep your outdated and overpriced hardware running a little longer. Some consolation.

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JAlexoid Member since:

Sources for the chipsets of the specific phones aren't included, thus, the source code is useless to upgrade your phone.

Because they are released separately by the manufacturers...

And if you're referring baseband, then I just have to point out that it's illegal to mess with the baseband in most countries. Enabling illegal activity is also illegal.

On how many present day phones will ICS work? Zero.

Zero? That's an overstatement. Phones without a GPU will definitely not get ICS, but zero?

For me, this is not the spirit and intention of GPL.

Why did you mention GPL? GPL demands are very clear and strict. The whole spirit in embodied in the text.

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jared_wilkes Member since:

The problem people have with Google's "open source" policy is apparently they can take it close sourced to behave like a proprietary development house and rush development they need to rapidly add based on competition, and then they can take their time cleaning it up, and then, presumably, they can "close source" it again at any point if they can rationalize it (needed to add features, support a device, speed development) -- and the Google advocates will do the apologizing for them.

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jabbotts Member since:

It's not just about hording source, then releasing it, then potentially re-licensing it under closed terms. I think it's more about the "open source for vendors not end users" part; where the manufacturers create fragmented child distributions through one-off modifications while still claiming to be the original distribution.

One can never make everyone happy but even if they standardized the distribution stack and allowed manufactures to include there own hardware driver bundles it'd be better. A clean standard core distribution and centralized updates plus a manufacturer/device specific little driver bundle update from time to time.. worlds better.

(Then we just need the Nokia N0 hardware. ;) )

Edited 2011-10-24 16:50 UTC

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