Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 16:58 UTC
Amiga & AROS Big news from the Amiga world this weekend. That stubborn bunch are holding AmiWest 2011 this weekend, and it's been one heck of an eventful little, uh, event. Not only will the AmigaOne X1000 start shipping by year's end, Hyperion also announced something many in the Amiga world have been waiting for for a long time: an Amiga laptop. Update: Steven Solie, AmigaOS' team lead, also held a presentation about the past, present, and future of AmigaOS. The team is working on some pretty interesting stuff - protected address space, multicore support, USB3, new printing subsystem, and much more.
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RE[4]: Hefty price?
by chandler on Mon 24th Oct 2011 00:54 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Hefty price?"
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Your ignorance of basic economics is showing. There are two cost components to mass-produced products: a fixed cost for design, validation, tooling, etc. and a per-unit cost based on the cost of the components and the time needed to assemble them. (Yes, engineers need to eat too.) The more units you sell, the more you can amortize that fixed cost.

The per-unit cost of the components also decreases as volume increases due to transactional costs, assurance of demand to the supplier, etc. It's wouldn't be at all surprising if the cost of the non-CPU components for a short run (under 10000 quantity) of these motherboards is 5x what it would cost a major manufacturer in high volume.

As far as the custom components in that picture, I see a very large red one... not to mention the PA Semi CPU which was not produced in high quantities.

Edited 2011-10-24 00:57 UTC

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RE[5]: Hefty price?
by some1 on Mon 24th Oct 2011 03:40 in reply to "RE[4]: Hefty price?"
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It's more like your inability to read more than 5 words into the comment. I'm commenting on the parts cost, which is what you called "per-unit cost". Given that the parts are not very new nor earth-shuttering this can be used as a rough estimate of "what you're getting" (design and development costs are much harder to compare across different companies and products).

As for per-unit cost decreasing with volume, this is certainly true, but much less so with circuitry than with silicon (that is, smaller batch size will give you competitive prices), which is why most devices are built with custom boards from mass produced chips. So just having "big red thing" is not enough to make it expensive to produce, if you're thinking at least 1000s units. And both PA6T and XCore are cheap. To quote "The PA6T-1682M is a high performance, low cost, cool running dual-core". XCore is generally available (e.g.

So, as I've already said, the price is to cover years of development with a small projected number of sold units. Which doesn't seem like a good value to me, but whatever makes you guys happy. I presume yourself and Thom have already pre-ordered?

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