Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 22:24 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Remember back when Nokia jumped to Windows Phone 7, abandoning all other platforms and future directions? Remember Elop's infamous 'burning platform' memo was coveniently 'leaked' to the web? Remember how Elop claimed Windows Phone 7 was the only way forward, since nothing else inside the company would be ready for prime time soon enough? Remember how I thought this was a very good and sane decision? Well, the first reviews of what will be the only MeeGo handset from Nokia (the N9) are in, and well... To whoever decided to go WP7 and ditch MeeGo: I don't like you. To myself: I'm an idiot for arguing this was a good idea.
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lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Please. Qt Creator is like one rung up the ladder from EMACS.


Hardly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_Creator

Qt creator includes:

- Projects
- two integrated visual editors, Qt Designer and Qt Quick Designer
- Language aware code editor
- context-sensitive help on classes, functions, and symbols
- targets, including mobile targets
- version control systems
- Qt Simulator
- integrated support for debuggers

So, eight rungs up the ladder from EMACS.

WP7 development tools are really marvelous compared to the fucking terrible Android SDK.


What on earth has that statement got to do with Nokia's N9, Meego, Qt, Qt Creator or Qtquick?

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Qt creator includes:

- Projects
- two integrated visual editors, Qt Designer and Qt Quick Designer
- Language aware code editor
- context-sensitive help on classes, functions, and symbols
- targets, including mobile targets
- version control systems
- Qt Simulator
- integrated support for debuggers

So, eight rungs up the ladder from EMACS.


I'm glad it supports the basics, I really am. I exaggerated a bit, but the point is the same. Qt Creator is no Visual Studio. Its good, but not good enough.

The Linux development stack is woefully immature for any kind of serious development.



What on earth has that statement got to do with Nokia's N9, Meego, Qt, Qt Creator or Qtquick?


WP7 is the alternative to MeeGo (and by extension Qt Creator, and Qt Quick) and Android is the other option Nokia could have chosen.

I don't really understand this animosity towards Microsoft and Windows Phone. I mean, sure, some dissapointment that Nokia gave up on its OS that was way, way off of schedule and not showing much for it, and it just happened to be Linux. I get it, its upsetting, but damn. Its been nearly a year already, get over it.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I'm glad it supports the basics, I really am. I exaggerated a bit, but the point is the same. Qt Creator is no Visual Studio. Its good, but not good enough.

The Linux development stack is woefully immature for any kind of serious development.


Pfft. LOL.

http://www.linuxnewshere.com/index.php/linux-top-500-super-computer...

The people who run the world's fastest, most expensive machines aren't serious?

http://www.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/09/large-hadron-collider--...

The people who run the LHC aren't serious?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_platform

Google services, including Google search and YouTube, running on over a million Linux servers, aren't serious?

https://launchpad.net/

Launchpad, hosting 25050 development projects, isn't serious?

What planet do you live on?

WP7 is the alternative to MeeGo (and by extension Qt Creator, and Qt Quick) and Android is the other option Nokia could have chosen.

I don't really understand this animosity towards Microsoft and Windows Phone. I mean, sure, some dissapointment that Nokia gave up on its OS that was way, way off of schedule and not showing much for it, and it just happened to be Linux. I get it, its upsetting, but damn. Its been nearly a year already, get over it.


From a user's point of view WP7 has a worse ecosystem than even Meego/Qt, in that it is a walled garden, with barely any apps available for it.

From a user's point of view if the N9 could run both Meego/Qt apps (such as Calligra Active) AND all Android apps, then the platform beats all comers.

It easily beats all comers in terms of openness and in terms of readily available apps, off the shelf right now, today.

Yet Elop dropped it, and its own Symbia OS, in favour of WP7 which has less than 1% market share.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201110-201110-bar

WP7 doesn't even register.

In any sane assessment, this amounts to Elop deliberately sabotaging Nokia. It is just a shame that Microsoft probably won't go down with them.

Edited 2011-10-24 08:11 UTC

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04


The Linux development stack is woefully immature for any kind of serious development.



Mark of delusioned MS/C#/VS fanboy. Products that use the "Linux development stack" generate _billions_ each month.

Just because there aren't that many bright people on this planet and enterprises need fill their ranks with stupid C# devs that don't really understand anything and need VS handholding all the way does not mean that it is any good.

The world is build on C and C++, deal with it.

Anyways, I have used VS and QtCreator and sure VS is more versatile, but for C++ development QtCreator compares quite well and for Qt development it is unmatched. It is also faster, cross platform and develops at a much faster rate.

Edited 2011-10-24 08:07 UTC

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I don't really understand this animosity towards Microsoft and Windows Phone. I mean, sure, some dissapointment that Nokia gave up on its OS that was way, way off of schedule and not showing much for it, and it just happened to be Linux. I get it, its upsetting, but damn. Its been nearly a year already, get over it.



I'm not sure about others, but my animosity about MS and WP7 boils down to this:

-Patents and the MS attitude toward them; no more needs to be said.

-The fact that no matter how creative and and interesting WP7 is, MS deserves to be in the position it is due the massive missteps (in the past) it has made regarding mobile.
Nobody else would never have had the opportunities to fail and (eventually) produce something like WP7. Sure you can fail and learn from mistakes but there should be a limit really.

-Also I massively dislike the fact that MS tends to completely screw over its partners (on the hardware side), through malice or callousness.

Edited 2011-10-24 12:18 UTC

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