Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 22:39 UTC, submitted by Oliver
FreeBSD "The first RC build for the FreeBSD-9.0 release cycle is now available. ISO images for the architectures amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, powerpc64, and sparc64 are available on most of our FreeBSD mirror sites. One of the many new features in 9.0 we would like to be tested is the new installer, so we encourage our users to do fresh installation on test systems. Alternatively, users upgrading existing systems may now do so using the freebsd-update(8) utility."
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Thin?
by evilsjg on Mon 24th Oct 2011 08:11 UTC
evilsjg
Member since:
2006-03-29

Is it just me, or do the recent releases of FreeBSD (especially the .0 releases) since 7.0 seem fairly thin on new features? I am a DragonFly BSD committer and the general consensus in the past has been that where we are behind FreeBSD, we are only behind due to a manpower shortage. Yet lately it seems as if our release notes are as full as theirs are, is the FreeBSD labor pool drying up, or are they just doing a poor job making sure everything interesting makes it into the release notes?

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RE: Thin?
by unclefester on Mon 24th Oct 2011 09:35 in reply to "Thin?"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

The more advanced a product is the fewer changes are necessary. It then become mainly a matter of polishing the existing features.

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RE[2]: Thin?
by evilsjg on Mon 24th Oct 2011 09:40 in reply to "RE: Thin?"
evilsjg Member since:
2006-03-29

That's a clever response, but it is not the case here. How about getting serious?

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RE: Thin?
by renox on Mon 24th Oct 2011 12:45 in reply to "Thin?"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Capsicum, DTrace.. it's just you.
See http://ivoras.net/freebsd/freebsd9.html

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RE[2]: Thin?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 24th Oct 2011 18:26 in reply to "RE: Thin?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

That is what I and probably the parent was looking for. It seems odd that its that difficutl to find, and not hosted on Freebsd.org. Compare that to the sparse official release notes.

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RE[2]: Thin?
by renox on Tue 25th Oct 2011 09:37 in reply to "RE: Thin?"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not sure what I was down-moderated even though I gave the list he was looking for.

And I still assert that I'm quite impressed by the FreeBSD9 features (DTrace, Capsicum, etc).

Let's look at Linux 3.1, what's are the interesting new feature?
The support of OpenRISC, a RISC CPU implemented currently only in FPGA? Bleah.
It's not the same project, not the same release process, but still..

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RE: Thin?
by DOSguy on Mon 24th Oct 2011 13:39 in reply to "Thin?"
DOSguy Member since:
2009-07-27

Although I don't think the last few FreeBSD releases where light on new features, you're probably not wrong either.

I remember reading an interview with the new FreeBSD project lead years ago. In the interview he said they where going to put out major releases more frequently. By looking at the FBSD timeline ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD#Timeline ) it seems they did just that. ( now 2 years between .0 releases versus ~3 years between releases before 7.0 )
Considering that the number of contributors probably didn't increase a lot, it would only seem logical that new releases contain less new ( big ) features.

Edited 2011-10-24 13:41 UTC

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RE: Thin?
by celt on Mon 24th Oct 2011 16:32 in reply to "Thin?"
celt Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, it's just you...

Why should the quality of code be measured by changes, features and new bells and whistles?

What has that have to do with anything?

FreeBSD isn't ahead or behind anyone or anything. I deploy many FreeBSD servers as a professional, and it has never failed me like many "feature of the day" nonsense that the rest of you are judging your success by.

Leave FreeBSD alone, you want the latest nonsense and all the instability that comes with it - go run Windows or Linux for that matter.

Somewhat concerned a DragonFly BSD committer would post such a comment.

troll...

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RE: Thin?
by laffer1 on Mon 24th Oct 2011 17:47 in reply to "Thin?"
laffer1 Member since:
2007-11-09

It's just you.

DragonFly isn't short on manpower compared to MirBSD or MidnightBSD. You might know us as 5th and 6th place in this little group. Don't complain about manpower again. It's weak.

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RE: Thin?
by joekiser on Mon 24th Oct 2011 17:53 in reply to "Thin?"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

It's not just you.

There are several current and former FreeBSD users who believe that the project has stagnated, some going so far as to say that if you took out all the code that is being imported from OpenSolaris, the project looks like NetBSD did a few years ago.

It's also no small surprise that a DragonFly developer would point this out, as this project and OpenBSD seem to be where all the innovation is happening these days.

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