Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Oct 2011 22:24 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Remember back when Nokia jumped to Windows Phone 7, abandoning all other platforms and future directions? Remember Elop's infamous 'burning platform' memo was coveniently 'leaked' to the web? Remember how Elop claimed Windows Phone 7 was the only way forward, since nothing else inside the company would be ready for prime time soon enough? Remember how I thought this was a very good and sane decision? Well, the first reviews of what will be the only MeeGo handset from Nokia (the N9) are in, and well... To whoever decided to go WP7 and ditch MeeGo: I don't like you. To myself: I'm an idiot for arguing this was a good idea.
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What planet do you live on?

The one where it is acknowledged that it is a sad state of affairs over there in penguin world.

They mananage to get shit done using inferior tooling, and that's great. It shouldn't have to be that way.

Developers shouldn't have to put up with the absolutely spartan tooling, I mean, seriously, this is an ongoing trend. Its always somebody elses fault, or you all always try to deflect away from the issues at hand by pointing to something, anything, to make it sound better.

Same thing happened with OpenOffice, erm sorry, LibreOffice. Same thing with GIMP. No, it can't possibly be our own inability to deliver quality products, its most definitely everyone else.

Come on, the lack of pragmatism on the Linux scene has hindered its success. Sure, maybe some huge enterprises are stupid enough to hire a shitload of C++ programmers to ducttape together a soluton for them. Great.

The fact still remains, you've lost, big, huge potential developers by not having a coherent development platform. I'm not talking about a collection of command line tools that you can hobble together to resemble something easy to use. Or mazes of buildscripts and black magic debuggers.

I'm talking about how easy it is for a small business or startup to get a solution done using the Linux Stack? Not very.

The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging you have one. Believe me, you have a big problem.

Qt and Qt Creator is a step in the right direction. Mono and MonoDevelop is a step in the right direction.

They're great starting points but need work. Hell, Qt tries so very hard to hide C++'s fail with the moc, and Mono does a great job at giving you all a good framework despite the flames, but more is needed.

People want ease of use, and I think this arrogance is symptomatic of the problem you all have. Quit thinking about yourselves, your own needs, start catering to developers. It'll help.

]From a user's point of view WP7 has a worse ecosystem than even Meego/Qt, in that it is a walled garden, with barely any apps available for it.

From a user's point of view if the N9 could run both Meego/Qt apps (such as Calligra Active) all Android apps, then the platform beats all comers.

App numbers are just a tick in a box. Momentum is key. The Windows Phone marketplace is outpacing Android, and going on-par and sometimes faster than iPhone. Also developers enjoy more paying customers on the WP7 marketplace vs Android, and generate more ad impressions (which are growing at an astonishing rate M/M).

Yet Elop dropped it, and its own Symbia OS, in favour of WP7 which has less than 1% market share.

He made a long term decision based on long term projections. Its illogical to look at how things are today and use it to make a decision for something with a multiyear span. Think.

MeeGo was going nowhere, very slowly. Microsoft needs Nokia, Nokia needs Microsoft. Its mutual, and I believe that by this time next year, they will have made significant inroads into the market.

Remember, Android had a slow start as well. The G1 was absolute shit.

In any sane assessment, this amounts to Elop deliberately sabotaging Nokia. It is just a shame that Microsoft probably won't go down with them.

Heh, I'm going to be amused when this is regarded by history as a monumental comeback.

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I'm not talking about a collection of command line tools that you can hobble together to resemble something easy to use.

A collection of command line tools that I combine together is easy to use, as opposed to the integrated candy land that is visual studio. VS is a good editor and a decent debugger, but everything else is crap (and did I mention it's SLOW?)

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