Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Oct 2011 22:37 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes Considering the polarising topic of software patents and related IP litigation is coming up a lot lately, I felt the need to write a few words on this thing called 'bias'. This word is being thrown around a lot, but I get the feeling many people are unclear as to what, exactly, it means. Because contrary to popular opinion, there's nothing wrong with being being biased. In fact, there's no such thing as unbiased blogging (or even unbiased journalism).
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RE: Comment by frderi
by WorknMan on Tue 25th Oct 2011 00:50 UTC in reply to "Comment by frderi"
WorknMan
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2005-11-13

There's a big difference between reporting facts, and expressing an opinion on those facts. I'm not judging one from the other, as expressing an opinion is good, even if it proves to be wrong in the end.

I'm just under the impression that in the last years, a lot of so called internet based "news" reports are opinions and not reports on facts. While opinions can spice news reports up quite a bit, it seems that some internet news reporters have a harder time these days to distinguish between the two.

This being said, I regard this site more as "OSOpinions" than "OSFacts" thus biased.


Yes, THANK YOU! This site is called OSNEWS, not thomsblog.com

Personally Thom, I really don't give a shit what you think. It's not because I either agree or disagree with your viewpoints, it is because I come to sites like this to get the latest news on operating systems and other tech, not to find out what Thom Holwerda thinks about a particular subject.

So it's not your bias that bothers me personally... it's the fact that you have ruined this site by turning it into your own personal/political blog. The main reason why I used to like this site so much is because it was rather unique among tech sites. Kind of like Slashdot, but without all the bullshit. That's why it is hard to leave it behind. So maybe you could just write articles with the facts, and save your own opinions as the first comment of the piece? IMHO, that would be a decent compromise. And enough with all the goddamn patent articles already... this isn't patentnews.com ;)

Edited 2011-10-25 00:52 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by frderi
by frderi on Tue 25th Oct 2011 01:14 in reply to "RE: Comment by frderi"
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2011-06-17

I'd also enjoy this site a lot more if there were more fact and less opinion. Say, more in-depth product reviews with actual information on what actually composes a product release, benchmarks of new systems, consistent news on OS releases, no matter who releases them. And I mean real hands on reports, not a discussion of a Youtube video as "news". Of course, this actually takes a lot more work (something which separates the real journalists from the bloggers I suppose, doing actual research)

Since a lot things are turning into platforms these days, one could widen the scope of "OSNews" to also include these new emerging platforms. Web platforms and smartphones have both become a lot more in common with operating systems than they used to.

Edited 2011-10-25 01:16 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by frderi
by cfgr on Tue 25th Oct 2011 02:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by frderi"
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2009-07-18

Since a lot things are turning into platforms these days, one could widen the scope of "OSNews" to also include these new emerging platforms. Web platforms and smartphones have both become a lot more in common with operating systems than they used to.


Isn't it sad that there is more news about legal issues than about technological improvements and new emerging platforms these days? There's a reason for that: in this perverted economy it's easier to make money artificially (litigation/speculation/banking) than by doing real work and actually making a new product.

Let's suppose you want to build a new platform, what will happen is any of the following:

1- The market is saturated, you may or may not be able to compete against the established companies, in any case, noone hears from you and there's no news.
2- You build something interesting and get bought by bigger companies often to be buried or integrated into an existing product, again no news.
3- Start-ups are scared of patent suits. It's safer to join an existing platform with known problems than it is to jump into a legal minefield on your own.

The damage from patents goes far beyond the costs of direct law suits. It's creating a hostile environment for innovation. Investors like to know you have a 'freedom to operate'. So when starting a project, you have to search the patent database for infringements, and not for interesting technology which you can licence (wasn't that the whole idea of patents? Sharing knowledge?). None of the patents descriptions I encountered are useful in any way whatsoever. It's lawyer speak, designed to be useless outside courts. And then I haven't even mentioned patents that are so trivial that you can't get around them. So why go through all that trouble and still risk law suits you can't afford even if you're right?

To make a long story short: I understand Thom's bias and I agree. And as long as it's easier to troll in court or gamble on the stock market/casino than it is to build a product that competes on quality, you'll keep seeing more news about patents than about new emerging platforms.

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RE[2]: Comment by frderi
by Dr.Mabuse on Tue 25th Oct 2011 01:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by frderi"
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2009-05-19

Yes, THANK YOU! This site is called OSNEWS, not thomsblog.com

Personally Thom, I really don't give a shit what you think. It's not because I either agree or disagree with your viewpoints, it is because I come to sites like this to get the latest news on operating systems and other tech, not to find out what Thom Holwerda thinks about a particular subject.


Ouch, bit harsh?

There are already many "just the facts" type sites out there, and frankly you can stay much more up to date with them. It's the fact that OSNews gives some informed and insightful opinion that makes it special (and not just from Thom!)

I personally believe this makes the comments section on the articles more informative too, because people actually make the effort to put forward well-reasoned counter arguments.

IMHO of course :-)

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RE[3]: Comment by frderi
by tomcat on Tue 25th Oct 2011 02:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by frderi"
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2006-01-06

There are already many "just the facts" type sites out there, and frankly you can stay much more up to date with them. It's the fact that OSNews gives some informed and insightful opinion that makes it special (and not just from Thom!)


I don't mind the opinions. Just not embedded along with the news.

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RE[2]: Comment by frderi
by tomcat on Tue 25th Oct 2011 02:09 in reply to "RE: Comment by frderi"
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2006-01-06

Personally Thom, I really don't give a shit what you think. It's not because I either agree or disagree with your viewpoints, it is because I come to sites like this to get the latest news on operating systems and other tech, not to find out what Thom Holwerda thinks about a particular subject.


I have to agree. This site would be a lot better if it simply reported the news, and reserved the editorializing for the comments that follow -- or put editorials in their own section -- because you're blurring the two together. And that blows. Seriously hard.

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RE[3]: Comment by frderi
by cfgr on Tue 25th Oct 2011 02:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by frderi"
cfgr Member since:
2009-07-18

The news is the article that's being linked to. Feel free to click the link, read the article and ignore the editorial on OSNews.

Personally, I think Thom's opinion adds value because unlike most people, he actually provides arguments for how he reached that conclusion - even though I sometimes disagree with those arguments, but that's what the comment section is for.

The only thing I dislike a bit are the references to unrelated 'funny' pictures to describe his thoughts. I think it's a bit unprofessional, but clearly it's not stopping me from reading his posts. It doesn't happen often anyway.

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RE[2]: Comment by frderi
by jaimzob on Tue 25th Oct 2011 18:47 in reply to "RE: Comment by frderi"
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2011-08-19

My sentiments exactly. "In the old days" OSNews was full of intelligently written articles about deep tech issues. I learned more from this site than any of the other tech sites. Very occasionally someone, who isn't Thom, still writes a story like that - but it tends to get relegated to the side bar while the main page is filled with 101 more reasons to irrationally hate Apple.

And I'm also tired of hearing that there is "no such thing as unbiased reporting" pronounced in such a superior tone. There may not be such a thing as an unbiased person but there _is_ such a thing as unbiased reporting. That's what makes journalism journalism.

Edited 2011-10-25 18:59 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by frderi
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 25th Oct 2011 18:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by frderi"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"In the old days" OSNews was full of intelligently written articles about deep tech issues.


"In the old days", OSNews was a linked list.

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