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General Development "Looking past the Metro hype, the Build conference also revealed promising road maps for C#, Visual Studio, and the .Net platform as a whole. Perhaps the most exciting demo of the conference for .Net developers, however, was Project Roslyn, a new technology that Microsoft made available yesterday as a Community Technology Preview. Roslyn aims to bring powerful new features to C#, Visual Basic, and Visual Studio, but it's really much more than that. If it succeeds, it will reinvent how we view compilers and compiled languages altogether."
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sithlord2
Member since:
2009-04-02


Apparently "always" doesn't go that far back. I can remember a time when MS compilers and developer tools wasn't really used by anyone doing serious development. The companies making great compilers and dev tools was Borland and Watcom and many others. Ms, not so much.


The BASIC interpreter of the Commodore 64 & Commodore 128 were licensed from Microsoft if I'm not mistaken. I think that counts as a successful developer product.

I don't think their development weren't that bad in general. Ok, maybe Visual Basic was, but only because it was so easy to write bad code with it.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

C64 basic was the worst part of the whole package. It was basically quite useless bearing the need for extensions as e.g. Simon's Basic. The only positive parts were the extensibility and some interpretation speed parts.

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marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

True, but it started many passionate relationships. Turn on your computer today and type something like:

POKE 53272, 23
FOR I = 1 TO 10 : PRINT "Hello!" : NEXT

Not that easy, right? Once you got there, there was a clean, shiny assembly road in front of you, with every possible register documented in black and white. Today you're lost in the woods and companies like MS with their shiny fcukups trying to lead you in their financial traps are not exactly helpful.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26



The BASIC interpreter of the Commodore 64 & Commodore 128 were licensed from Microsoft if I'm not mistaken. I think that counts as a successful developer product.

Microsoft BASIC was one of the worst variants going.
Plus nobody used BASIC for serious development, even back then and even on better BASIC implementations.
Developers wrote in machine code.

I don't think their development weren't that bad in general. Ok, maybe Visual Basic was, but only because it was so easy to write bad code with it.

Visual Basic can be pretty much ignored as it's pretty laughable for any serious development and Borland tools were significantly better than VS for quite some time. (IIRC I was still using Borland's C++ Builder in the late 90s)

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

BASIC of Commodore line was rather poor. There were much better variants, BBC BASIC for example.

While wondering how many passionate relationships MS BASIC possibly started, consider also how many people it, perhaps, repulsed...

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