Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Oct 2011 22:37 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes Considering the polarising topic of software patents and related IP litigation is coming up a lot lately, I felt the need to write a few words on this thing called 'bias'. This word is being thrown around a lot, but I get the feeling many people are unclear as to what, exactly, it means. Because contrary to popular opinion, there's nothing wrong with being being biased. In fact, there's no such thing as unbiased blogging (or even unbiased journalism).
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RE[6]: the problem
by MOS6510 on Tue 25th Oct 2011 19:17 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: the problem"
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

I can spend time making a list, but I doubt it would make you see the light. Over the years I have seen many requests fot examples, always were they waived off. We have had a couple of arguments, most regarding what you want examples of.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems others in this same comments section have this impression of you.

I read a lot of news on a number of sites and you're the only one that gives me this impression.

You are a good writer, you do a lot of work, all of us enjoy this site (despite your dark side). When we say what can be improved it's not us having fun attacking you, it's our love for this site.

Please be biased toward BeOS or NT, tell us, make us curious, spread the positive vibes, but don't be so negative about things you don't like or people who don't share your opinion.

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RE[7]: the problem
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 25th Oct 2011 19:22 in reply to "RE[6]: the problem"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I can spend time making a list, but I doubt it would make you see the light. Over the years I have seen many requests fot examples, always were they waived off. We have had a couple of arguments, most regarding what you want examples of.


Link to those then. I'm honestly curious, because I don't recall any of this. I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong - however, just stating I'm doing something wrong, without citing any relevant examples it not doing anybody any good.

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RE[8]: the problem
by MOS6510 on Tue 25th Oct 2011 19:30 in reply to "RE[7]: the problem"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I actually didn't mean examples of your stuff, but in general (in a time before this site when I was in to the Linux community, which was far worse regarding bias and unsulting non-believers).

Right now I'm in bed with tea and cookies (soppen), consuming news on my iPad. Tomorrow I'll see what I can dig up for you.

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RE[8]: the problem
by MOS6510 on Wed 26th Oct 2011 07:32 in reply to "RE[7]: the problem"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Going over the recent articles I must say you do have improved a lot, not much if any to remark about those. I did stop reading this site for a little while, but I came back to fill a hole in my live no other site managed to fill up.

So I had to go back a little further. I didn't dive in to comment sections, just focussing on the article stuff. This was the first thing that caught my attention:

Amazon's Kindle Fire Silk Browser

Other than the low price (only $199?!) and the fact that Google is getting absolutely nothing out of Amazon's use of Android, I couldn't really bring myself to caring too much about the Kindle Fire (Apple and/or Microsoft patent lawsuit in 3... 2... 1), but there is one aspect that intrigued me - Amazon's beefing up of what at its core is Opera Mini.


The Kindle Fire is noteworthy IT news and it came up in a lot of RSS feeds I am subscribed to. None made any mention of either Apple or Microsoft might be suing them over it, yet you took this as another opportunity to implicate Apple/Microsoft as companies who do little else than sue other companies.

Next article is this one:

Microsoft, Samsung Sign Patent Licensing Agreement

This is the biggest one yet. Microsoft's professional extortion campaign - the third side of the same triangle it shares with Apple and Oracle - has finally hit Samsung. The two companies have signed a patent licensing agreement concerning Samsung's use of Android, in which a rumoured fee of $15 (!) per device will flow from Seoul to Redmond. Not entirely coincidentally, that's about the price of a Windows Phone 7 license.


It is suggesting Microsoft, Apple and Oracle form some axis of evil and Microsoft is even some kind of IT mafia (which they probably are, but they do it within the rules). Both Apple and Oracle are suing Samsung and Google respectively with good reason.

Where I have a problem with is these kind of suggestions that certain companies are good guy and other bad ones and the bad ones even team up. Dig and every company or organization can be labeled evil, even Green Peace.

What I also don't like is when you get in to arguments with readers in the comments sections. Okay, some ask to be burned down or write stuff that makes your fingers itch you just have to write a reply, but often you just dismiss someone's opinion because they are either an Apple fanboy or suspect them of being one. Sure Apple fanboy loyalty can not be topped, so why bother trying to argue with one.

I think getting in to arguments with readers undermines your authority as a writer. Write the article, let us fight it out in the comments, read them, don't reply and if you feel like it write a new article addressing the stuff you have issues with so you can do it in a more controlled manner.

But like I said at the start the recent bunch of articles are a lot better and I have no issues with them.

And like I said to another person in this thread please keep bothering us with your personal interests in a positive way. When someone is passionate about something I know little or nothing of it can trigger my interest and I'm sure a lot of readers come here to read about stuff they know nothing off. Like me I don't care about Apple news on this site, as an Apple person I already have my sources. I have none for Amiga (although I used to be an Amiga person), BeOS, DOS/NT stuff, OS/2, etc.. and I do want to know about this stuff most IT sites will not report on.

(John McCarthy's death caused me to download LISP)

Saying negative stuff doesn't cause people to become interested and pisses off the people who are passionate about what you criticize.

When you say negative stuff you (not YOU, speaking in general) seem arrogant, unpleasant. This makes people around you unpleasant. When you are positive you likewise infect people with positivity.

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RE[7]: the problem
by Alfman on Tue 25th Oct 2011 21:50 in reply to "RE[6]: the problem"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

"Please be biased toward BeOS or NT, tell us, make us curious, spread the positive vibes, but don't be so negative about things you don't like or people who don't share your opinion."

I think that's good advice. As you must know though, it's sometimes incredibly difficult to be balanced in the presence of certain posters who are so far biased that there is no possibility of reasoning with them.

Many other sites are moderated, and frankly that will always help maintain the appearance of balance even if it's not genuinely there.

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RE[8]: the problem
by MOS6510 on Wed 26th Oct 2011 06:52 in reply to "RE[7]: the problem"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I don't think an author should get in to comment section discussions, because there are always lunatics hiding in the bushes waiting to jump out. Just present your article as-is and let us fight it out.

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