Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Oct 2011 22:34 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "In a move that will raise eyebrows, Mozilla is now distributing a version of Firefox that uses Bing as the default search provider instead of Google. Rest assured that this is a joint project, though: the creatively-named Firefox with Bing website is run by Microsoft, and both Mozilla and MS are clear that this is a joint venture. Now, don't get too excited - the default version of Firefox available from Mozilla.com is still backed by Google, and there's no mention of an alternative, Bingy download anywhere on the site - but it's worth noting that Mozilla has been testing Bing's capabilities using Test Pilot over the last couple of months, and the release of Firefox with Bing indicates that Mozilla is now confident in Bing's ability to provide a top-notch service to Firefox users." Test pilot or not, I'm stockpiling more baked beans.
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RE: Anyone try it?
by ssokolow on Thu 27th Oct 2011 05:57 UTC in reply to "Anyone try it?"
ssokolow
Member since:
2010-01-21

The address bar search isn't hard-coded at all, just older than the search box and not integrated with it.

Pop open about:config and filter for keyword..

I also usually get rid of the search box altogether and re-implement keyword searches like "yt Nyan Cat" via keyword bookmarks (also been around since pre-1.x Mozilla Suite) because search box keywords don't show in the awesome bar while keyword bookmarks do.

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RE[2]: Anyone try it?
by Icaria on Thu 27th Oct 2011 08:57 in reply to "RE: Anyone try it?"
Icaria Member since:
2010-06-19

I do the same thing (and use the same format: first letter of the first two syllables - yt, gg, etc).

Of course, it would help if FF properly supported this use case and didn't force you to put the search box back on your toolbar, in order to manage your search engines.

The only way to get around this is to launch FF straight in to the manager chrome al la firefox -chrome chrome://browser/content/search/engineManager.xul

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RE[3]: Anyone try it?
by ssokolow on Thu 27th Oct 2011 09:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Anyone try it?"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

I do the same thing (and use the same format: first letter of the first two syllables - yt, gg, etc).

Of course, it would help if FF properly supported this use case and didn't force you to put the search box back on your toolbar, in order to manage your search engines.

The only way to get around this is to launch FF straight in to the manager chrome al la firefox -chrome chrome://browser/content/search/engineManager.xul


Actually, you don't have to if you use "Quick Searches". That's another reason I use them.

If you go into your bookmark manager (The "Library" window) and use the "More" button that appears when a bookmark is selected, you can set up something like this instead of using the search box:

Location: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%s
Keyword: yt

They behave the same as search box keywords except:
1. You can't choose them in the search box drop-down (which neither of us seem to care about)
2. They actually show up as proper results in the AwesomeBar when you type something like "yt foo" so you can be sure you know what pressing Enter will do.

What really surprises me is how Firefox essentially has two independent keyword-searching systems, each with bits the other could benefit from.

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RE[2]: Anyone try it?
by Alfman on Thu 27th Oct 2011 21:09 in reply to "RE: Anyone try it?"
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2011-01-28

ssokolow,

"The address bar search isn't hard-coded at all, just older than the search box and not integrated with it."

There's no legitimate reason for one to be easily configurable by end users, and the other to have no visible means of switching away from google.


"Pop open about:config and filter for keyword.."

Yes, you can override many of the hard coded values this way. But it is not meant for end users as it's not discoverable and it even displays a ridiculous "void your warranty" warning screen. It's a major pain to manually fix the settings to match the user's preferred search engine - especially when there are lots of user logins.


Also, you and I are more capable than ordinary users, who get confused why their searches don't use their selected search provider. In fact I've learned that these users are far more likely to search by typing terms into the address bar. Even I was quite surprised myself when a user showed me this (I had always searched in the search box).


Edit: I really would like to know whether Firefox Bing version has either google or bing hardcoded the same way in the address bar searches? Anyone with a windows machine able to test this?

Edited 2011-10-27 21:14 UTC

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RE[3]: Anyone try it?
by ssokolow on Fri 28th Oct 2011 09:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Anyone try it?"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21


ssokolow,

"The address bar search isn't hard-coded at all, just older than the search box and not integrated with it."

There's no legitimate reason for one to be easily configurable by end users, and the other to have no visible means of switching away from google.


Depending on your definition of "legitimate", there is. Mozilla is a non-profit, which generally means they can't afford to hire as many paid employees as a company like Google and the volunteers don't see that as an itch worth the effort to scratch.


"Pop open about:config and filter for keyword.."

Yes, you can override many of the hard coded values this way. But it is not meant for end users as it's not discoverable and it even displays a ridiculous "void your warranty" warning screen. It's a major pain to manually fix the settings to match the user's preferred search engine - especially when there are lots of user logins.


When I say "hard-coded", I mean things that you actually need to edit the source code to change.

By your definition, any setting not exposed by a GUI is "hard-coded" and the Windows registry, OSX .plist files, and /etc on UNIXy systems are all "hard-coded" too.

There's a big difference between, say, AwesomeWM (configurable by editing ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua) and dwm (configurable by editing the raw C code and recompiling).


Also, you and I are more capable than ordinary users, who get confused why their searches don't use their selected search provider. In fact I've learned that these users are far more likely to search by typing terms into the address bar. Even I was quite surprised myself when a user showed me this (I had always searched in the search box).


I never said I defended it. In fact, I'm quite annoyed at how much more polished Chrome's Omnibar is for non-local searching. (Though Firefox's AwesomeBar is miles ahead of Chrome as far as searching local bookmarks and history when it comes to returning relevant results and doing it quickly)

If I had my way, Firefox would incorporate an exact copy of Omnibar's remote search handiling into AwesomeBar. (Auto-gathering of OpenSearch endpoints, no separate search box, in-bar visual indication of search target, etc.)

Edited 2011-10-28 09:05 UTC

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