Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Oct 2011 15:45 UTC
Google "The announcement that Nexus One users won't be getting upgraded to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich led some to justifiably question Google's support of their devices. I look at it a little differently: Nexus One owners are lucky. I've been researching the history of OS updates on Android phones and Nexus One users have fared much, much better than most Android buyers." I'm happy the modding community takes care of orphaned devices, but a solution it is not. I'm hoping the crop of Android phones released this past year - which were not included in this analysis - fair better. If there's one thing Google should steal from Apple, it's their iOS update support.
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That's all very nice, but...
by raven24 on Thu 27th Oct 2011 16:36 UTC
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Member since:
2011-10-27

if I may quote user "geekoid" from Slashdot on the same story:

"False comparison
and a stupid one as well. It shows a fundamental lack of understanding Apple and Android.

Android is an OS. Different companies put it on different phones. This means different capabilities and corporate plans.

Apple is the entire chain.

SO you can only compare phones running android individually, and not group them as 'Android'.

The advantage of Androids hardware diversity is that competition can happen, and they aren't locked into a 'box' from 3 years ago.
The advantage of Apple is that they will update it even if the update isn't needed for your phone.

The fact that he marks out yellow sections between green sections shows his agenda.
"
--> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2496760&cid=37855854

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RE: That's all very nice, but...
by leos on Thu 27th Oct 2011 16:52 in reply to "That's all very nice, but..."
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

SO you can only compare phones running android individually, and not group them as 'Android'.


Absolutely true. However, is there any Android phone that is consistently updated to the latest release? Unless you can find one, the conclusion stands.

The best one on the chart is the Nexus One, and that is no longer supported on 4.0. Of course there are lots of phones missing from that chart (Samsung Galaxy in particular) but I don't think there is a single Android phone that has lasted 3 years with current updates.

The fact that he marks out yellow sections between green sections shows his agenda.


How exactly is that biased? Yellow sections means there was a new Android release and for a few months that phone did not get it. Those are the facts.

Edited 2011-10-27 16:53 UTC

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Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

Absolutely true. However, is there any Android phone that is consistently updated to the latest release? Unless you can find one, the conclusion stands.


The Nexus range.

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Lobotomik Member since:
2006-01-03

The HTC Magic, the second ever Android phone, after the G1, has received every update until now. It came with Donut, and made it all the way through Eclair, Froyo and Gingerbread! Not a bad record at all.

I cannot understand why N1 won't get official ICS: The N1 may not be as powerful as the high end machines we see today, but it is still as powerful as current mid to high end phones, with its WVGA screen and 1GHz processor, and 512M both Flash and RAM. I am sure there will by a Cyanogen ICS rom that will run just fine.

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RE: That's all very nice, but...
by rhavyn on Thu 27th Oct 2011 16:53 in reply to "That's all very nice, but..."
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

SO you can only compare phones running android individually, and not group them as 'Android'.


Does that mean we can stop pretending that "Android's" market share numbers mean anything and compare individual phones or individual manufacturer's market share instead? Or does the "only compare phones individually" rule only count when it helps Android, not when it hurts it?

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intangible Member since:
2005-07-06

Only if we can stop pretending that marketshare actually reflects the better product.
Or do you genuinely believe McDonald's is the world's best restaurant and Internet Explorer is the world's best web browser?

Edited 2011-10-27 22:43 UTC

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Does that mean we can stop pretending that "Android's" market share numbers mean anything and compare individual phones or individual manufacturer's market share instead? Or does the "only compare phones individually" rule only count when it helps Android, not when it hurts it?

No we can't since - as you almost noticed there - those are different things, you see. Hence different circumstances (however keen you seem on pretending they are the same)

Market share matters as a whole, as a platform which can be targeted. You know, the holy "ecosystem"

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

SO you can only compare phones running android individually, and not group them as 'Android'.


Horseshit. If it says 'Android' on it and has access to the Android market, then it's an Android phone, and SHOULD be compared with all other Android phones.

This whole lack of updates thing is the reason why I will only consider getting a Nexus Android phone from now on, until/unless this situation changes. So for me, those phones that are infected with vendor bloatware don't exist, thus the Galaxy Nexus will be the only Android phone released in the next year or so. If the Galaxy Nexus ends up being a shitty phone, I will wait for the next iPhone or decent Nexus phone to come out.

As for a lack of updates not hurting anyone, think about this... if there is a MAJOR vulnerability found in Android that effects several versions, if Google fixes it in ICS, will they back port it to Gingerbread and Froyo? And if they do, how long will it take for individual vendors to get that update out to individual phones?

And lack of updates isn't the only thing wrong either... last time I checked (a few months ago), there were still brand new Android phones coming out with Froyo, a full 6+ months after Gingerbread was released!! Can you imagine brand new PCs being sold today with Windows Vista installed? It's lunacy.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


Horseshit. If it says 'Android' on it and has access to the Android market, then it's an Android phone, and SHOULD be compared with all other Android phones.

This whole lack of updates thing is the reason why I will only consider getting a Nexus Android phone from now on, until/unless this situation changes. So for me, those phones that are infected with vendor bloatware don't exist, thus the Galaxy Nexus will be the only Android phone released in the next year or so. If the Galaxy Nexus ends up being a shitty phone, I will wait for the next iPhone or decent Nexus phone to come out.

As for a lack of updates not hurting anyone, think about this... if there is a MAJOR vulnerability found in Android that effects several versions, if Google fixes it in ICS, will they back port it to Gingerbread and Froyo? And if they do, how long will it take for individual vendors to get that update out to individual phones?

And lack of updates isn't the only thing wrong either... last time I checked (a few months ago), there were still brand new Android phones coming out with Froyo, a full 6+ months after Gingerbread was released!! Can you imagine brand new PCs being sold today with Windows Vista installed? It's lunacy.

I agreed with all of your points right up until the last paragraph.

Maybe not so much with Win7, but XP machines were still being released long after Vista was out.

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