Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 28th Oct 2011 20:42 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Apple Apple has open sourced ALAC. "The Apple Lossless Audio Codec is an audio codec developed by Apple and supported on iPhone, iPad, most iPods, Mac and iTunes. ALAC is a data compression method which reduces the size of audio files with no loss of information. A decoded ALAC stream is bit-for-bit identical to the original uncompressed audio file. The Apple Lossless Audio Codec project contains the sources for the ALAC encoder and decoder. Also included is an example command line utility, called alacconvert, to read and write audio data to/from Core Audio Format and WAVE files. A description of a 'magic cookie' for use with files based on the ISO base media file format (e.g. MP4 and M4A) is included as well. The Apple Lossless Audio Codec sources are available under the Apache license."
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RE[2]: 24bit music
by fran on Sun 30th Oct 2011 13:44 UTC in reply to "RE: 24bit music"
fran
Member since:
2010-08-06

Yes, what do i know.

Most will not hear it because they dont have the equipment. (monitor quality speakers ect.)
Also the majority of music is beat, emo orientated.
It will comes into its with music with higher timbral complexity.

"The advantages of 24-bit audio will vary with different recordings, different equipment, different listeners--but if you’re an audiophile with excellent gear and a trained ear, you should notice the bump up in quality. Now that we’ve got a handle on 24-bit audio, it’s time to broaden our focus; bit depth and sample rates aren’t the only factors in the quality equation."

http://www.tested.com/news/the-real-differences-between-16-bit-and-...

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RE[3]: 24bit music
by zima on Sun 30th Oct 2011 14:15 in reply to "RE[2]: 24bit music"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It was a simple question. Your defensive tone right at the opening is really the whole answer needed...

"audiophile with excellent gear and a trained ear" have been shown, again and again, to be generally unable to demonstrate their claims when any sort of rigour is applied to them. And no wonder, their brains are the most invested (emotionally or otherwise) in those claims, and are also treated as a self-contained instrument of judging them (vs. following an essentially scientific methodology in ABX)

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RE[4]: 24bit music
by fran on Sun 30th Oct 2011 14:33 in reply to "RE[3]: 24bit music"
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

Will you ridicule my opinion and experience.
Then I respond and now you say I am defensive.

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RE[4]: 24bit music
by fran on Sun 30th Oct 2011 15:39 in reply to "RE[3]: 24bit music"
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

""audiophile with excellent gear and a trained ear" have been shown, again and again, to be generally unable to demonstrate their claims when any sort of rigour is applied to them. And no wonder, their brains are the most invested (emotionally or otherwise) in those claims, and are also treated as a self-contained instrument of judging them (vs. following an essentially scientific methodology in ABX)"

I agree many of these things is just hot air.
Like that the picture with a $500 dollar HDMI cable looks better than an $50 dollar one.
That low oxygen interconnects, anti vibrations cones, powerconditioners will all perceptibly improve your sound. I don't believe that.

I do however listened to some guitar music in 24 bit flac files.
There isn't a huge difference but i do hear it, especially on the guitar.
You sound like someone that knows more than me on these stuff. I'm not saying this sarcastically.
I would have given you the benefit of the doubt if I had not spoken to musicians and studio people in the last few years that record their music in that format and attest the sound difference. Not so much the HZ but the jump from 16bit to 24bit. Like i said before you would have to listen to it through something like studio monitors or headphones and maybe a class A or A/B amplifier will also help. But thats another argument.

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RE[4]: 24bit music
by Excarnate on Wed 2nd Nov 2011 05:42 in reply to "RE[3]: 24bit music"
Excarnate Member since:
2011-08-01

"It was a simple question. Your defensive tone right at the opening is really the whole answer needed..."

No, you were intending to be a dick from the start and fran detected it.

For me, I can tell the different, in a blind test, with music I know very well, with really good headphones, the difference between different levels of compression and uncompressed CD quality. Is that the top end? I don't know, I didn't have anything with a higher bit rate, and anyway, that's just my ears.

That said, I pretty much agree with you, zima, but fran is right to be defensive, and you are wrong to continue to pursue it. Find some other hobby.

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RE[3]: 24bit music
by aaronb on Sun 30th Oct 2011 19:49 in reply to "RE[2]: 24bit music"
aaronb Member since:
2005-07-06

I think that most people who think that one format is better than another in terms of sound quality would be surprised how difficult it is to tell the difference when they have actually tried to.

Having said that, you are right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with spending funds on higher quality equipment or going for 24bit 96KHz tracks instead of 16bit 44.1Khz tracks if thats your thing.

However, like most things, if you are making a claim, there will always be someone ready to swoop in and ask for some evidence to back it up.

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