Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 31st Oct 2011 12:59 UTC, submitted by Martin H Hansen
RISC OS Sometimes, on a rather boring and run-of-the-mill Monday, I get news in the submission queue which just puts a gigantic smile on my face. We've talked about the Raspberry Pi before on OSNews, and other than reporting that everything's on track for a Christmas launch, it has also been announced that the Raspberry Pi will be able to run... RISC OS. A British educational ARM board running RISC OS? We have come full circle. And I couldn't be happier. Update: Theo Markettos emailed me with two corrections - Markettos isn't actually a representative of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, and the quoted bits are transcribed, they're not Markettos' literal words. Thanks for clearing that up!
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by fretinator on Mon 31st Oct 2011 13:37 UTC
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Yes, yes, YES. I, too, have always wanted to experiment with RISC OS, but as noted, most of the options involved way too much cash for a hobby machine. From the outside looking in, RISC OS appears to be a very interesting OS - Amiga-like in its well-integrated GUI paradigm.

I would also like students to interact with the computer at a lower level (see command-line interaction in the article). If we only teach them to point and click, they become servants of the machine. If they learn how the machine works, and learn from the beginning to interact at a lower level, the machine becomes their servant.

I've always felt there would be two classes of people in the future - those who tell machines what to do, and those who are told what to do by the machines.

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by zima on Mon 31st Oct 2011 14:06 in reply to "Ya"
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Well, such computers were already used in education. In fact, wasn't this the biggest market for ...RISC OS? The model was probably even more apparent with earlier BBC Micro, or Apple II ...but I'm not certain if they resulted in widespread insights which you envision. Maybe/possibly a bit the contrary (and people with lasting skills chose such path[1])

Anyway, "well-integrated GUI paradigm" of RISC OS might be a bit frustrating, IMHO & possibly[2] - feels way too dependant on drag'n'drop (that's frustrating even now, with optical mouse and reliability of switches mostly worked out - it must have been a nightmare on the mouses from 2 decades ago, especially considering the "public" ones were, typically, permanently clogged)

1. You know, the whole idea of specialisation which gives us our modern world - ultimately, machines are just prostheses of our bodies, also minds ...and most of the fields of knowledge which you touch daily as a layperson (not knowing much about them, just using them) have some machines in the chain crucial to their efficient functioning, I guess. Interwoven into the working of our civilisation.

I even strongly suspect one machine tells you when to wake up, most of the mornings ;)

2. Judging from ROX Desktop (BTW, not requiring any cash), which supposedly does strive to imitate the core concepts of RISC OS GUI.

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by fretinator on Mon 31st Oct 2011 15:16 in reply to "RE: Ya"
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I even strongly suspect one machine tells you when to wake up, most of the mornings

Of course, that's because I have programmed it to do that. The issue becomes more complex as the intelligence of the machine grows. Think of "Siri" from the iOS world.

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by Dave_K on Mon 31st Oct 2011 15:53 in reply to "RE: Ya"
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Anyway, "well-integrated GUI paradigm" of RISC OS might be a bit frustrating, IMHO & possibly[2] - feels way too dependant on drag'n'drop

I think this was always a matter of taste more than anything. Back in its day RISC OS was very much mouse driven, even more so than Mac OS in some ways. In my opinion the advantages (e.g. the best window management and menu system in any GUI) more than made up for issues like that, but I can see how it could frustrate.

Through added features and 3rd party utilities RISC OS became much more keyboard friendly as time went on. Most modern RISC OS applications support a global clipboard rather than relying on drag and drop to move data between applications.

It's the underlying OS that looks primitive today, not the user interface.

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