Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 1st Nov 2011 21:31 UTC, submitted by Z_God
KDE Disappointed with KDE 4's performance and other shortcomings, Timothy Pearson continued KDE 3.5 development under the name Trinity. Today the first third major update of the Trinity Desktop Environment is released, providing an alternative upgrade path for KDE users who do not feel comfortable with KDE 4.
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RE: Thom's justified...
by lemur2 on Wed 2nd Nov 2011 00:06 UTC in reply to "Thom's justified..."
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

I share the sentiments. Perhaps Thom is a *LITTLE* exaggerated on the crashing narrative. But yes, I have crashes too. But particularly I despise the K Menu and the Oxygen tiny buttons. Weren't these so much misdesigned, I would actually stick with KDE 4 series. Hell, just simplify that menu and make the buttons larger. Oh, make more attractive Qt themes. All we have is Oxygene, Redmond and CDE stuff? For goodness sake. Can't you see why GNOME 2 beat the hell out of KDE in the past 6 years? And now being beaten by crap like Unity and controversial but fast GNOME Shell ? KDE Team... give Thom and I, a break...


Install and use the alternative Lancelot menu.

http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main

I recommend the setting where there are no "category buttons" and the separate categories can all be set as sepearte menu buttons in the panel.

e.g. Lancelot Applications category menu:
http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/images/screenshots/lancelot-main-wi...

Lancelot computer "Places" menu:
http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/images/screenshots/lancelot-main-wi...

Google for "KDE4 extra themes"

http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/10-most-beautiful-plasma-themes-for-...

Metalized, Perla Negra, Marysia, Aya, Slim Glow, Silicon, Perfection, Akoma, Mist and TiComb.

Other themes which turn up often as people's choices are Qtcurve and Bespin.

http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=47631

Edited 2011-11-02 00:08 UTC

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RE[2]: Thom's justified...
by Jason Bourne on Wed 2nd Nov 2011 00:37 in reply to "RE: Thom's justified..."
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

I think Lancelot's is a poor attempt to create another menu which is more messy than KickOff itself. Lemur2, do you work for KDE team?

The themes are ugly and unattractive. All of them have quirks.

But you haven't got the spirit. We're talking about SANE DEFAULTS, and not stupid user hunting based settings. KWin default is a disaster. KickOff should be better off cloning the entire Windows 7 Menu and the themes...well... please copy Windows 7 theme too. Why not. Since complete noobs can't see any difference between KDE4 and Windows 7, just copy it.

The problem my friend, is that KDE team is just after Windows 7 heels. Copying it... and to NOT SAY THAT, they make up particular idiosyncrasies which don't help the user at all.

I'm really not asking much. I didn't bash KWin. It deserves every criticism that Thom leashed. Why not just trash KWin? Please KDE team, use just another thing... try Clutter or Compiz as default. I know, I know, it breaks your KHearts. Oh fuck... sorry.

I just won't bash KWin that bad because I have tested on a recent hardware and it was fast and "OK", that meaning, tolerable... not 10 star... suffering well. It did got better after moving its settings to XRender instead of OpenGL.

Please, lemur2... don't smear more margarine love on KDE. It's beyond belief this, what you do. Let's take the facts into account. Default facts.

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RE[3]: Thom's justified...
by lemur2 on Wed 2nd Nov 2011 02:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Thom's justified..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

It did got better after moving its settings to XRender instead of OpenGL.


This does happen on some machines. It shouldn't be so. This is a dead giveaway that the graphics stack implementation of OpenGL is not performing anywhere near as well as it should on that particular machine.

Xrender should not be able to beat OpenGL (at anything, let alone at hosting Kwin).

http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=88842

OpenGL is not KDE4.

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RE[3]: Thom's justified...
by lemur2 on Wed 2nd Nov 2011 04:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Thom's justified..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I think Lancelot's is a poor attempt to create another menu which is more messy than KickOff itself.


There are a number of choices and modes of both Kickoff and Lancelot, and they both follow the selected theme. You can't possibly criticise them all, so you thought you would just go for a generic slur, hey?

The themes are ugly and unattractive. All of them have quirks.


Easy for you to say. No, really, that is just easy to say. It is simple, you don't have to prove anything, and you can get a cheap shot in without any effort at all.

Not credible. Cheap shot. Unproven, unsupported and unsupportable. Try again.

Windows 7 Menu and the themes...well... please copy Windows 7 theme too. Why not. Since complete noobs can't see any difference between KDE4 and Windows 7, just copy it. The problem my friend, is that KDE team is just after Windows 7 heels. Copying it... and to NOT SAY THAT, they make up particular idiosyncrasies which don't help the user at all.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Software_Compilation_4

The first major version (4.0) of this series was released on 11 January 2008

http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/10-most-beautiful-plasma-themes-for-...

Above page was posted Posted by jun auza On 8/20/2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

Windows 7 was released to manufacturing on July 22, 2009, and reached general retail availability on October 22, 2009.

Let's take the facts into account. Default facts.


OK, let's do just that. Exactly when did the KDE developers invent their time machine in your world?

Facts please.

Edited 2011-11-02 04:25 UTC

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