Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Nov 2011 19:34 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Hardware, Embedded Systems A big issue right now in the world of operating systems - especially Linux - is Microsoft's requirement that all Windows 8 machines ship with UEFI's secure boot enabled, with no requirement that OEMs implement it so users can turn it off. This has caused some concern in the Linux world, and considering Microsoft's past and current business practices and the incompetence of OEMs, that's not unwarranted. CNet's Ed Bott decided to pose the issue to OEMs. Dell stated is has plans to include the option to turn secure boot off, while HP was a bit more vague about the issue.
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RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender
by lucas_maximus on Thu 3rd Nov 2011 22:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Soulbender"
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And what you're doing is reasonable, calm, and utterly rational and not at all abrasive, right?

Well I keep on replying will well reasoned arguments but everyone seems to go into "Microsoft is the EVILZ!" mode ... and cannot seem to go beyond that.

So after attacking arguing with a logical one must assume the other person has an Agenda, usually pro floss ... or trolling ... so I attack that ... Problem??

OEMS will not stop the installation of Windows 7 for pure business reasons ... something which you keep on ignoring .. and I have said in POST 1.

Which is for some odd reason is ignored :-|

Edited 2011-11-03 22:10 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by shmerl on Thu 3rd Nov 2011 22:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
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So the proof is just "most probably because of business reasons they wont"? Doesn't sound assuring enough, since those reasons are not set in stone. While no rule mandates OEMs to give the user an ability to control UEFI keys or disabling it altogether - there is a risk of having a computer which won't boot what user wants.

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lucas_maximus Member since:


I have never really worked in IT

Windows 7 is supported til 2020 ... most large businesses are only just thinking about moving to it and doing testing ... the will probably never move to Windows 8 ... and move to Windows 9 afterwards ... or LCARS for all I know ...

But Windows 7 is going to be around for the next good few years as well as Businesses that will use XP forever and ever ... will need new hardware and just will make sure it is VMed or on a seperate non-internet enabled network (like much of our clients with Windows 2000).

Edited 2011-11-03 22:20 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender
by Alfman on Thu 3rd Nov 2011 22:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender"
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"Well I keep on replying will well reasoned arguments but everyone seems to go into 'Microsoft is the EVILZ!' mode ... and cannot seem to go beyond that."

This has absolutely nothing to do with microsoft being evil. I wouldn't care if microsoft had zero involvement, it's bad to have a security feature that bans owners from accessing the keys in their own hardware.

Now microsoft may be a primary benefactor and driver, but this criticism against the proposed secure boot spec has nothing to do with being anti-microsoft. It's about the deteriorating conditions for those of us who believe an open computing future is better than a closed computing future.

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lucas_maximus Member since:

There has been numerous evidence given that Secure boot and well reasoned arguments (booting old versions of Windows for business which MS still make money on) ...

But you guys keep chanting the same shit again and again and again.

Even people at Microsoft that are actually speak against Microsoft about some stuff (Scott Hanselman) says that Microsoft is too cumbersome and disjointed to actually "be evil" like Darth Vader .. imperial march stuff ... but whatever you probably won't listen.

Edited 2011-11-03 22:40 UTC

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