Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 22nd Oct 2005 03:07 UTC, submitted by carbon-12
Windows After roughly 12 years of work, the Wine Project is about to take its widely used Windows translation layer to a place it has not been in all that time: beta. Wine Project leader Alexandre Julliard, who has worked on the software nearly since its beginning in 1993 and maintained it since 1994, said in an interview yesterday that the beta release is "a matter of days away." He has since updated that forecast and said it would be released on Tuesday, October 25th.
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Yep, time of irrelevance is nearing...
by on Sat 22nd Oct 2005 04:52 UTC

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I've said it before and I say it again. People are shitting their pants as the launch date for Windows Vista gets closer and closer. These folks have been doing Wine now for about 12 years. And now, as we are getting near to the point for their work becomes irrelevant, if its not already, they decide Wine is at beta level. This should serve as a lesson for all of us on what on not to do in software development: minimize copying and maximize new work...

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rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, because if anything, the history of Windows shows us that such enormous transitions are both instantaneous and complete. Vista will be out next year, and the very next day, ever computer will be running it, and all that existing Win32 software will magically dissapear. Please! It was only in this decade that we managed to finally get rid of DOS!

On top of that, what exactly do you think all that managed software is going to run on? The .NET VM is just a user app, one running on (you guessed it) Win32!

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Vista will be out next year, and the very next day, ever computer will be running it, and all that existing Win32 software will magically dissapear.
It was a different thing when win16 and Dos are replaced by win32. New computers bought are in more number than the computers existing then. So the transition is very easy. Do you think someone will buy a brand new PC and Vista just to test Vista?
On top of that, what exactly do you think all that managed software is going to run on? The .NET VM is just a user app, one running on (you guessed it) Win32!
You know this. Compared to WINE(Alpha after 12 years), MONO(reaching 1.2) is complete in many respects. When MONO(1.2 with WinForms) is out it will run all the 100% .NET apps even before Vista is out.

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ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

The .net Runtime Environment is already being done mostly by Mono. It's a LOT easier to reimplement as it's published. And a lot of .Net applications run a lot better than some of the best running Wine programs (not really Wine programs, but I don't know what to call them).

I think you will see a lot of applications move over the WPF and .Net much faster than you've seen them move from DOS to GDI. It's a lot easier transition.

And, AFAIK, you only get access to WPF within .Net. Of course, there will probably be a horrible 15 year long stream of half-breed programs which will need some evil coersion via Wine+Mono to get them to do anything.

I think the Wine project is fast becoming irrelevant. The Linux/BSD platform is getting large enough to attract a few applications, and with Mono/.Net the costs of starting cross platform are lower. That doesn't mean every program is ever going to run, or even 5 will do it "overnight" but it means that there's less need everyday for Windows to get different kinds of work done.

The front page of OSNews was just splattered with something about a standalone database app in OOo for example. I'm sure it will be more pathetic than Access is, but nonetheless it will help a percentage of people out if they choose to leave the Wintel platform behind.

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Or it will further convince people to switch to Unix instead of upgrading to MS Vista

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actually it becomes even MORE RELEVANT.

You don't understand all the uses of computer. MANY COMPUTERS ARE INTEGRAL PARTS OF MANUFACTURING MACHINES. Upgrading the OS and custom application means buying a new machine. Many of these machines are specialized and there are no competitors in the field.

Linux + Wine + The application would save a lot of money if the company network gets upgraded and you don't have to upgraded your capital expensed hardware as well.

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ecko Member since:
2005-07-08

And now, as we are getting near to the point for their work becomes irrelevant, if its not already, they decide Wine is at beta level. This should serve as a lesson for all of us on what on not to do in software development: minimize copying and maximize new work...

Wow...this shows a complete lack of understanding anything. The problem with Linux is NOT that we need Win32 compatability. The problem is convincing people they don't have to break compatability with their old software to move over. It doesn't matter if Windows Vista comes out tomorrow.

The strenght of wine is that now when you tell a business to come over to linux, we can run some of their old software until they build/buy a new native linux tools while dropping MS. I mean if you had any idea how massive the Win32 api really is you wouldn't be talking. Add in years of fixing broken functions while hacking in workaround for specific apps who are EXPECTING the broken functionality even after it's fixed and you have a really big project. Seriously, if you're not a programmer don't talk about development you sound like an idiot.

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