Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Nov 2011 19:34 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Hardware, Embedded Systems A big issue right now in the world of operating systems - especially Linux - is Microsoft's requirement that all Windows 8 machines ship with UEFI's secure boot enabled, with no requirement that OEMs implement it so users can turn it off. This has caused some concern in the Linux world, and considering Microsoft's past and current business practices and the incompetence of OEMs, that's not unwarranted. CNet's Ed Bott decided to pose the issue to OEMs. Dell stated is has plans to include the option to turn secure boot off, while HP was a bit more vague about the issue.
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Don't pay for it then ... Lemur2 is always going on about that System76. Vote with your wallet ... I buy OpenBSD released since I use them ... I vote with my wallet to support the project.

FWIW, in my own country there are a few sources of computers where the OS is not included as part of the price.

Here is an example of a netbook and a low-end desktop:

The base prices of $349 AUD and $399 AUD do not include any OS except an option for Ubuntu.

Here are the additional costs for various Windows OS versions:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional [+$169] With CD
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Recovery CD [+$39]
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (32/64 Bit) [+$99] With CD
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (32/64 Bit) [+$169] With CD
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade/Full Version (64 Bit) [+$199] With CD

Ubuntu comes with an Office suite installed, so to match Ubuntu one would also have to purchase (at least) the following extra item as well:
Microsoft Office 2010 Home & Student [+$154]

So, for any option of Windows XP or Windows 7 the price would almost double, by the time you had purchased necessary software, compared to the Ubuntu option.

As long as Pioneer Computers is prepared to offer machines for sale without unwanted software bundled into the price, they are indeed worth of getting my custom.

For Windows 8 it would appear that Pioneer Computers may not be able to offer their customers the far better Ubuntu deal any longer. If that happens I would feel sorry for Pioneer Computers, but I would no longer buy from them, they would lose me as a customer. I would build up my own systems from piece parts if I have to.

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lucas_maximus Member since:

I think it comes down to that you don't want to pay money for stuff and you are cheap.

Edited 2011-11-04 00:11 UTC

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lemur2 Member since:

I think it comes down to that you don't want to pay money for stuff and you are cheap.

I think it comes down to that you want me to pay money to Microsoft even though I don't use their stuff.

In what possible universe is it sensible to pay twice as much as one has to, for any reason whatsoever? This question is especially pertinent when the better hardware/software combination is the one that is half the price.

Under what strange morailty is it a bad thing if people collaborate together to make a less expensive alternative available to everybody?

In what possible way is it a good thing for the Australian people, Australian business and the Australian economy to have a half-price alternative option to Microsoft made unavailable to them?

Do you have shares in Microsoft?

Edited 2011-11-04 01:06 UTC

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