Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Nov 2011 22:56 UTC, submitted by Dart
Linux When GNOME did its version 3 and Ubuntu came up with Unity, the popularity of Linux Mint sky-rocketed, because they stuck with GNOME 2.32. The Mint team has been working on their next version for a while now, and today, they first unveiled what they're working on. There's good news - the team is working on making GNOME 3 likeable. Their question for this release: "How do we make people like Gnome 3? And what do we provide as an alternative to those who still do not want to change?"
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Comment by aaronb
by aaronb on Fri 4th Nov 2011 23:24 UTC
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How do we make people like Gnome 3?

Make the top bar disappear with full screen applications or games, and allow me have an unsuspended laptop with the lid closed. Setting sane defaults is good, but for expletive sake allow us to configure the desktop / laptop to our needs!

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RE: How do we make people like Gnome 3
by B.Jay on Sat 5th Nov 2011 09:33 in reply to "Comment by aaronb"
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Well, I recently had a look into Gnome 3.2 in Ubuntu 11.10.

The first thing that's somehow shocking: Compared to Unity 2D/3D Gnome 3, while still being plain crap, is actually a useable user interface. That being said ...

Having played around with the default Gnome 3.2 config for some hours I simply couldn't stop laughing. It seems the Gnome Developers decided that ...

- ... shutting down your computer is an unwanted feature of your electricity company as they lose money if you shutdown your system over night, so they (the Gnome Developers) made it as retarded as somehow possible to actually get to the desired "Power off..." (I know there's a Gnome-Shell extension that makes peace with that ALT+Left-click "Me Menu" brainfart)

- ... it is simply too inferior to give the tard in front of the screen the power to control the font size/face and/or height of the default top panel. You need to prove yourself worthy by either being able to code up your own theme to tinker with the top-bar or by being able to hack around in the default theme.

- ... it is simply too inferior to give the mouse-cursor tosser in front of the screen the power to EASILY customize several aspects of the UI - that seems to be THE reason for the bastardized "Gnome Tweak Tool" that's a laughable approach at an "Tweak Tool" at best.

- ... it simply can't be tolerated to give the user a meaningful control over the power management options (timeout for the screen standby, timeout for hard drive standby, et al) - that would make the aforementioned, poor, electricity companies lose hard earned money if it would be easy to setup a worthwhile power saving plan (Windows Vista/7 runs Gnome 2.x AND 3.x into the ground hard at this particular matter).

- ... a user shouldn't be able to control his screen savers nor be able to set preferences. They already castrated Gnome 2 in this regard, and it seems to excelled in Gnome 3.

and the most important thing

- ... it would actually cost a medium fortune to hire, or have, guys in the development team who understand shit about user interface design.

I could continue that list of epic failures, but I think we all know the, to put it politely, shortcomings of Gnome 3 too well.

While Gnome 3.2 matured from 3.0 in some areas it is still a failure of a user interface on so many levels that it's impossible to even list them up. In short, it's the same useless crap as Canonical's Unity 2D/3D but - as weird as it may sound - way more usable than Unity.

Now that the rant is done ...

Knowing how Gnome 3 "feels" I think the approach of Linux Mint is extremely well thought-through (by judging from the screenshots and the wee bit of information that got - finally - posted to the Mint Blog). I actually like the ideas depictured and described there; it can only make the Gnome 3.x experience better. However, having MATE as an option in case the Gnome 3 UI doesn't cut it is a great feat.

Now, while the ideas are great, we yet have to try the real thing, and I'm sure it'll be a whole lot of fun to test it out for everyone. If it works out the way I figure it'll be the first really usable environment for Gnome 3 and I'll gladly switch to Mint 13 (which should be 12.04 LTS) once it's out.

At the moment I still enjoy my Gnome 2.3x freedom in Fuduntu (switched from Mint 9 just a few months ago).

As a conclusion: There's no easy way to make people "like Gnome 3" unless the Gnome Devs finally realize that it's the worst of all ideas to pull a tablet-ish/smartphone-ish user interface onto the desktop.

IF I would want to have a "mobile user interface" powering the desktop I would want the Android user interface ... but that's a a different story entirely.

Edited 2011-11-05 09:40 UTC

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spaceLem Member since:

As a conclusion: There's no easy way to make people "like Gnome 3" unless the Gnome Devs finally realize that it's the worst of all ideas to pull a tablet-ish/smartphone-ish user interface onto the desktop.

Isn't that what Microsoft are doing with Windows 8?

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RE: Comment by aaronb
by stabbyjones on Sun 6th Nov 2011 22:44 in reply to "Comment by aaronb"
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The top bar does disappear with full screen applications.
The power icon in system settings lets you turn suspend/hibernate off.

troll harder...

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