Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 22nd Oct 2005 03:07 UTC, submitted by carbon-12
Windows After roughly 12 years of work, the Wine Project is about to take its widely used Windows translation layer to a place it has not been in all that time: beta. Wine Project leader Alexandre Julliard, who has worked on the software nearly since its beginning in 1993 and maintained it since 1994, said in an interview yesterday that the beta release is "a matter of days away." He has since updated that forecast and said it would be released on Tuesday, October 25th.
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rayiner
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2005-07-06

Yes, because if anything, the history of Windows shows us that such enormous transitions are both instantaneous and complete. Vista will be out next year, and the very next day, ever computer will be running it, and all that existing Win32 software will magically dissapear. Please! It was only in this decade that we managed to finally get rid of DOS!

On top of that, what exactly do you think all that managed software is going to run on? The .NET VM is just a user app, one running on (you guessed it) Win32!

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Vista will be out next year, and the very next day, ever computer will be running it, and all that existing Win32 software will magically dissapear.
It was a different thing when win16 and Dos are replaced by win32. New computers bought are in more number than the computers existing then. So the transition is very easy. Do you think someone will buy a brand new PC and Vista just to test Vista?
On top of that, what exactly do you think all that managed software is going to run on? The .NET VM is just a user app, one running on (you guessed it) Win32!
You know this. Compared to WINE(Alpha after 12 years), MONO(reaching 1.2) is complete in many respects. When MONO(1.2 with WinForms) is out it will run all the 100% .NET apps even before Vista is out.

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rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

New computers bought are in more number than the computers existing then.

What exactly is this sentence supposed to mean? If anything, the total inertia of Win32 is greater than the inertia of Win16/DOS, because the installed base is even larger!

So the transition is very easy.

Transitions are never easy.

Do you think someone will buy a brand new PC and Vista just to test Vista?

That's irrelevent. The question is, once Vista is out, will people immediately upgrade? The whole NT thing suggests that it'll take years before the majority of people have ugpraded. The Vista transition will likely take even longer, since XP -> Vista brings far less user-tangible benfits than 9x -> NT/XP did. There will be many apps to run on WINE for years to come.

You know this. Compared to WINE(Alpha after 12 years), MONO(reaching 1.2) is complete in many respects. When MONO(1.2 with WinForms) is out it will run all the 100% .NET apps even before Vista is out.

And how many .NET apps does the average person use every day? Zero! Nada. Zilch. You're assuming that app developers will suddenly all start coding for .NET (and also never use native Win32 services). This is a ridiculous assumption. Indeed, the big apps, like Photoshop and the like, precisely the ones that people generally want to emulate, are exactly the ones who won't rewrite in .NET!

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ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

The .net Runtime Environment is already being done mostly by Mono. It's a LOT easier to reimplement as it's published. And a lot of .Net applications run a lot better than some of the best running Wine programs (not really Wine programs, but I don't know what to call them).

I think you will see a lot of applications move over the WPF and .Net much faster than you've seen them move from DOS to GDI. It's a lot easier transition.

And, AFAIK, you only get access to WPF within .Net. Of course, there will probably be a horrible 15 year long stream of half-breed programs which will need some evil coersion via Wine+Mono to get them to do anything.

I think the Wine project is fast becoming irrelevant. The Linux/BSD platform is getting large enough to attract a few applications, and with Mono/.Net the costs of starting cross platform are lower. That doesn't mean every program is ever going to run, or even 5 will do it "overnight" but it means that there's less need everyday for Windows to get different kinds of work done.

The front page of OSNews was just splattered with something about a standalone database app in OOo for example. I'm sure it will be more pathetic than Access is, but nonetheless it will help a percentage of people out if they choose to leave the Wintel platform behind.

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