Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Nov 2011 22:20 UTC
Legal This is probably not entirely surprising. The European Commission has announced that it is investigating both Apple and Samsung because they may have breached antitrust rules with regard to patents used as standard in the mobile phone industry - otherwise known as FRAND patents. While the EC states it's investigating both Samsung and Apple, it's likely the investigation focusses on Samsung.
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RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash
by frderi on Sat 5th Nov 2011 16:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Tony Swash"
frderi
Member since:
2011-06-17


Ipod and Iphone weren't popular because of innovation.


Sure it was. Have you ever used MP3 players from the time before the iPod came out? I have. If you had, you'd remember how awkward they were. The iPod was a delight to use in comparison. It had simple controls trough an innovative click-wheel which made navigating it a breeze. It held a lot more songs due to its unique tiny hard disk, and it was well built.



Having a big touchscreen instead of buttons isn't innovative by the way it is completely obvious.


If it was completely obvious, why didn't anyone else think of bringing it to market in the way as the iPhone did? Before the iPhone, almost all smartphones had buttons. Many executives laughed at the fact the iPhone didn't have any. Nowadays you'll be hard pressed to find an Android which still has a keyboard.

Its easy to state something is obvious after it has happened. People seem to forget that there actually was a time where we didn't have the current form factor and functionality in a mobile computing device.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash
by Fergy on Sat 5th Nov 2011 20:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Have you ever used MP3 players from the time before the iPod came out? I have.

Yes. iPod made it easier for normal people to put music on the mp3player. It changed nothing for me. I also had a harddisk mp3 player before the ipod.
If it was completely obvious, why didn't anyone else think of bringing it to market in the way as the iPhone did?

Changes often occur because a device is used differently or a new technique becomes cheap enough. If you want to use a device to listen to music, browse the web, have apps and be used as a phone how many choices do you have for formfactor?
Just because most phone vendors were being stupid doesn't make Apple brilliant.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tony Swash
by frderi on Sat 5th Nov 2011 21:25 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash"
frderi Member since:
2011-06-17

Yes. iPod made it easier for normal people to put music on the mp3player. It changed nothing for me. I also had a harddisk mp3 player before the ipod.


I watched the market for a couple of years, wanting to buy an MP3 player. I'm choosy, and when I'm uncertain, I end up not buying anything. Back in the day when I first looked, you had either these tiny storage space devices with tiny displays, or bulky ones with enough space that weighed like a brick. When I saw the iPod, I knew instantly it was the device I had been looking for. At the time it was launched, it made the best trade offs between space and size.

Changes often occur because a device is used differently or a new technique becomes cheap enough.


Component price is closely related to its volume. Larger volumes make cheaper components. To achieve volumes, you need products which are appealing enough to customers. A new component is worthless without an application, it will just end up as being an interesting footnote in the history of components. So good products drive the component market more than most people realize.

If you want to use a device to listen to music, browse the web, have apps and be used as a phone how many choices do you have for formfactor?


Lack of imagination inhibits lack of possibility. You'll never find out if everyone just does the same thing. The Blackberry has internet, apps, and is a phone. It was a successful product in its day. Yet the iPhone didn't copy the Blackberry. they made a new design instead.

Just because most phone vendors were being stupid doesn't make Apple brilliant.


One could argument that brilliance is relative to one's surroundings, but thats another matter. ;)

When it comes to third party components, I do think it takes a not unreasonable amount of brilliance to recognize and value them, realize what they are capable of, and have the insight in putting them together in a new product.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

The CD player was patented in 1969. It reached the market in 1981. The delay was due to the fact that the hardware was too expensive to build any earlier.

Dick Tracy had a two way wrist radio back in 1946 and a wrist TV in 1964. back in the 1940s.

Someone had probably thought of some type of touchscreen mobile phone by the 1960s.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tony Swash
by frderi on Sun 6th Nov 2011 17:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash"
frderi Member since:
2011-06-17

The CD player was patented in 1969. It reached the market in 1981. The delay was due to the fact that the hardware was too expensive to build any earlier.

Dick Tracy had a two way wrist radio back in 1946 and a wrist TV in 1964. back in the 1940s.

Someone had probably thought of some type of touchscreen mobile phone by the 1960s.


What are you trying to say? CD players aren't iPods. wrist radios aren't either.

Its a big difference between thinking something up and actually building it. In fact I can imagine a computer that will plug into a socket after my ear, after which my brain is instantly connected to the internet. No screen, keyboard, or touchscreen required. The computer in itself is as big as a mentos and has 50 TB of solid state storage. Knowing how to turn that vision into a real product however, is the difference between sci-fi and the real world.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash
by JAlexoid on Sun 6th Nov 2011 15:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

If it was completely obvious, why didn't anyone else think of bringing it to market in the way as the iPhone did?"
That alone does not merit any kind of protection, much less a 20year one. There are hundreds of innovations being brought into hundreds of markets ever year; that does not mean iPhone was something out of the ordinary except for the size of the market.

Before the iPhone, almost all smartphones had buttons. Many executives laughed at the fact the iPhone didn't have any. Nowadays you'll be hard pressed to find an Android which still has a keyboard. "
Finder touch oriented UI - I will give that to Apple. For bringing it to the market that is, not inventing it or anything even remotely similar.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

The LG Prada had a touchscreen before the iPhone.

Android began two years before iOS.

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