Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Nov 2011 19:34 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Hardware, Embedded Systems A big issue right now in the world of operating systems - especially Linux - is Microsoft's requirement that all Windows 8 machines ship with UEFI's secure boot enabled, with no requirement that OEMs implement it so users can turn it off. This has caused some concern in the Linux world, and considering Microsoft's past and current business practices and the incompetence of OEMs, that's not unwarranted. CNet's Ed Bott decided to pose the issue to OEMs. Dell stated is has plans to include the option to turn secure boot off, while HP was a bit more vague about the issue.
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RE[6]: Ok, let's be fair
by ilovebeer on Mon 7th Nov 2011 00:48 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Ok, let's be fair"
ilovebeer
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2011-08-08

So your point is that instead of asking OEMs to come up with a sane SecureBoot implementation we should suck it up and beg for the crumbs shopping around for the few non Windows8 hardware that we can find.

Do you actually believe pc hardware is going to magically vanish the moment Windows 8 becomes available? Come on, you can't be serious.

When did secure boot on "Designed for Windows 8" prebuilt systems suddenly turn into the elimination of nearly anything not being the logo? It didn't. The fear mongers and your imagination is getting the better of you because there is not a single shred of evidence or proof that what you've proposed will actually happen. Fearing the rapture doesn't make the rapture come true -- you should be well aware of by now.

Will any OEM be selling PCs and laptops without Windows8 in a couple of years?

Yes, of course. This is not even in question for those of us who know better than to buy into the baseless imaginary BS that anything non-Windows 8 will soon cease to exist.

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RE[7]: Ok, let's be fair
by ichi on Mon 7th Nov 2011 10:33 in reply to "RE[6]: Ok, let's be fair"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

Do you actually believe pc hardware is going to magically vanish the moment Windows 8 becomes available? Come on, you can't be serious.

When did secure boot on "Designed for Windows 8" prebuilt systems suddenly turn into the elimination of nearly anything not being the logo? It didn't. The fear mongers and your imagination is getting the better of you because there is not a single shred of evidence or proof that what you've proposed will actually happen. Fearing the rapture doesn't make the rapture come true -- you should be well aware of by now.

"Will any OEM be selling PCs and laptops without Windows8 in a couple of years?

Yes, of course. This is not even in question for those of us who know better than to buy into the baseless imaginary BS that anything non-Windows 8 will soon cease to exist.
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Again, this is not about fear mongering, but about saying to OEMs "see, we might have problems if you implemented SecureBoot in a certain way. Could you do it this other way instead?".

I seriously don't know why people is making such a huge issue of anyone making that request.

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RE[8]: Ok, let's be fair
by ilovebeer on Mon 7th Nov 2011 15:58 in reply to "RE[7]: Ok, let's be fair"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Again, this is not about fear mongering, but about saying to OEMs "see, we might have problems if you implemented SecureBoot in a certain way. Could you do it this other way instead?".

I seriously don't know why people is making such a huge issue of anyone making that request.

Who has a problem with the request? Nobody that I've seen. My problem is with people who are intentionally being misleading, untruthful, or flat out lying seemingly in an attempt to create fear. Then you have the ones who may genuinely have their head in the clouds thinking they have rights that don't actually exists and all of that.

When did wanting people to be educated and knowledgeable on a topic become a bad thing? I prefer to have discussions based in reality while there are others who obviously prefer fantasy.

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