Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Nov 2011 20:45 UTC, submitted by Straylight
Oracle and SUN I just emerged, blinking, from the world of Skyrim, only to realise Sun Oracle has released the 11th version of Solaris (well, technically it's the 7th, but okay, we'll roll with it). I'll be honest and upfront about it: Solaris is totally out of my league, and as such, it's very hard for me to properly summarise what this release is all about, so I won't even try.
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Cloudwashing
by tony on Thu 10th Nov 2011 22:02 UTC
tony
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2005-07-06

A lot of it is "cloudwashing":

Verb: "Taking your product and contriving some kind of relevance to the blah blah cloud".

Solaris used to be the shit, but it became a basket case after the dotcom crash of 2000, especially with respect to x86.

Now, few people care. Even when it was hastily (and GPL-incompatibly) released as open source, it wasn't really embraced.

The greatest thing that came out of Solaris was ZFS, but its usefulness is limited by the fact that it was never GPL compatible, and now it's owned by Oracle (which a lot of IT shops avoid like the plague).

It's got an interesting future in FreeBSD, but again hampered by the lack of some awesome ZFS features (like encryption) that aren't in the FreeBSD release yet.

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RE: Cloudwashing
by vermaden on Thu 10th Nov 2011 23:36 in reply to "Cloudwashing"
vermaden Member since:
2006-11-18

The greatest thing that came out of Solaris was ZFS, but its usefulness is limited by the fact that it was never GPL compatible, and now it's owned by Oracle (which a lot of IT shops avoid like the plague).


Other very nice Solaris features:
- RBAC (only IBM AIX can compete here)
- ZONES (FreeBSD Jails still lag here a lot)
- SMF – systemd can only dream about it
- CROSSBOW - network stack virtualization
- BOOT ENVIRONMENTS - create one, delete everything (rm -rf /*) and You still have fully working system

These are features not seen in any other OS, not only UNIX ...

It's got an interesting future in FreeBSD, but again hampered by the lack of some awesome ZFS features (like encryption) that aren't in the FreeBSD release yet.


FreeBSD provides encryption since quite long time, its just not ZFS feature on FreeBSD, its GEOM feature, encrypt the devices (with key or passward) using GELI and then create ZFS pool from encrypted devices, voila!

Edited 2011-11-10 23:37 UTC

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RE[2]: Cloudwashing
by tony on Fri 11th Nov 2011 01:24 in reply to "RE: Cloudwashing"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06

"The greatest thing that came out of Solaris was ZFS, but its usefulness is limited by the fact that it was never GPL compatible, and now it's owned by Oracle (which a lot of IT shops avoid like the plague).


Other very nice Solaris features:
- RBAC (only IBM AIX can compete here)
- ZONES (FreeBSD Jails still lag here a lot)
- SMF – systemd can only dream about it
- CROSSBOW - network stack virtualization
- BOOT ENVIRONMENTS - create one, delete everything (rm -rf /*) and You still have fully working system

These are features not seen in any other OS, not only UNIX ...
"

Eh, most of those aren't really that interesting. Zoning/Containers have been around for a while, haven't seen that great of a use case. Virtualization on a Type 1 hypervisor has proven much more useful in a general sense. Boot environments are neat, but it's only in Solaris, so not of any use to me. Not a feature that's going to get me to drop Linux.



"It's got an interesting future in FreeBSD, but again hampered by the lack of some awesome ZFS features (like encryption) that aren't in the FreeBSD release yet.


FreeBSD provides encryption since quite long time, its just not ZFS feature on FreeBSD, its GEOM feature, encrypt the devices (with key or passward) using GELI and then create ZFS pool from encrypted devices, voila!
"

The last time I tried (about a year ago) to encrypt devices with GELI and then take those devices and add them to a ZFS pool, the performance was absolutely terrible. There were weird pauses, wildly inconsistent pauses in throughput, huge latencies, and overall a disaster.

So unless it's native encryption in the file system, I'm not counting it as a feature.

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RE[2]: Cloudwashing
by swampboy on Fri 11th Nov 2011 03:53 in reply to "RE: Cloudwashing"
swampboy Member since:
2011-11-11


Other very nice Solaris features:
- RBAC (only IBM AIX can compete here)
- ZONES (FreeBSD Jails still lag here a lot)
- SMF – systemd can only dream about it
- CROSSBOW - network stack virtualization
- BOOT ENVIRONMENTS - create one, delete everything (rm -rf /*) and You still have fully working system

These are features not seen in any other OS, not only UNIX ...


I would add DTrace to your list of nice Solaris features. However, your list of features are not all exclusive to Solaris. Similar to ZONES, AIX has LPAR and WPAR. I think that HP-UX also has something similar for their Superdome systems. I don't know much about SMF, but I don't think its functionality is exclusive to Solaris. The virtualization capabilities with LPARS on POWER5 (and newer) hardware is pretty darn impressive and is perhaps the most sophisticated of all virtualization technologies available.

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