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Intel You may not realise it, but today one of the most important pieces of technology celebrates its 40th birthday. In November 15, 1971, a company called Intel released its Intel 4004 processor - the first single-chip microprocessor, and one of the most important milestones in computer history.
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RE[2]: Congratulations!
by judgen on Wed 16th Nov 2011 11:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Congratulations!"
judgen
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2006-07-12

When were you a kid btw? When i was younger we had opportunity to pick between the following in x86: Cyrix, IDT, Intel, AMD, RiSE NexGen and the NEC Clones.

Today the only manufacturers that are allowed to make x86:cpu's are VIA (whom bouht IDT and Cyrix), SiS (Who bought RiSE from the people at VIA) AMD (sharing agreement with intel as well as bought the designs from nexgen as well as the company) And ofcourse intel themselves. Ofcourse if someone were able to do a complete reverse engineering of any of those they would be allowed to sell x86 designs learned from that expierience too. (in omst countries atleast, local laws may apply)

Edit: Nexgen added.

Edited 2011-11-16 11:57 UTC

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RE[3]: Congratulations!
by demetrioussharpe on Wed 16th Nov 2011 14:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Congratulations!"
demetrioussharpe Member since:
2009-01-09

When were you a kid btw? When i was younger we had opportunity to pick between the following in x86: Cyrix, IDT, Intel, AMD, RiSE NexGen and the NEC Clones.

Today the only manufacturers that are allowed to make x86:cpu's are VIA (whom bouht IDT and Cyrix), SiS (Who bought RiSE from the people at VIA) AMD (sharing agreement with intel as well as bought the designs from nexgen as well as the company) And ofcourse intel themselves. Ofcourse if someone were able to do a complete reverse engineering of any of those they would be allowed to sell x86 designs learned from that expierience too. (in omst countries atleast, local laws may apply)

Edit: Nexgen added.


Those were the days... I hate what's happened to the industry. Sure, things are more standard, but there's less actual choice than there used to be.

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RE[4]: Congratulations!
by zima on Tue 22nd Nov 2011 23:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Congratulations!"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Nah. Many of those "choices" were more or less horrible, and still universally "too expensive" & of much worse value than the nice things of the last decade (or so), things which brought less limits of what you can do, what you can accomplish.

You have more actual (and typically better, with great value) choices instead of "necessities" of old. It's just that how some x86 designs were much further ahead made most others disappear.

But there's so much more than that. Probably any of the dozens random microcontrollers will give much better value than those from the old days (you could hardly do that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzebox 2 decades years ago for example, not anywhere near so good & inexpensively; didn't stop some, of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaksija ), out of which x86 was born BTW.

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RE[3]: Congratulations!
by bassbeast on Sun 20th Nov 2011 10:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Congratulations!"
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2007-11-11

Sounds like close to your childhood as it was late 70s to mid 80s (my first album was Kiss Alive II on 8 track just to date myself). My first "PC" was an Altair that "fell off the back of a truck" my uncle was driving, followed by the VIC. Atari, GEM, Compaq, I think I played with just about every CPU and OS back then, man it was so much nicer when we had choice!

Of the ones you name there really are only two now, Intel and AMD. try buying a Via CPU in anything but ultra niche like carputers is nearly impossible, and SiS doesn't make chips. I had hopes that Nvidia would buy Via and get in the game (imagine how sweet a netbook with a combo Via/Nvidia APU would be) but that seems to be a no go.

But frankly other than bribing the officials I can't understand why Intel wasn't busted. I mean you had a major CEO admit that Intel bribes were like Cocaine and Dell admitted that during the price wars there were quarters where their ONLY "profits" were in the form of Intel kickbacks. Then finally you have the fact that in every benchmark there was the Athlon64 stomped netburst until Intel came along and rigged the compiler, what more proof do they need? What they did made MSFT under Gates look like choirboys!

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RE[4]: Congratulations!
by zima on Tue 22nd Nov 2011 23:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Congratulations!"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I think I played with just about every CPU and OS back then, man it was so much nicer when we had choice!

Not really, we didn't have it, in comparison ( http://www.osnews.com/permalink?497962 ) & no, it wasn't nicer.

We have tons more choice now. If, for whatever reason, you don't exploit it, a least don't throw such myths around.
It's almost insulting to many millions who were simply excluded back then from the field of computing; which became immensely more approachable over the years, open for many more people (who typically don't have the opportunity to, apparently, steal their first expensive computer...)

There are ~2 billion PC users alone, while your "great times" most likely offered the experience (extremely limited, nvm much more expensive) most likely to at least an order of magnitude less.

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RE[3]: Congratulations!
by zima on Tue 22nd Nov 2011 23:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Congratulations!"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Today the only manufacturers that are allowed to make x86:cpu's [...] Ofcourse if someone were able to do a complete reverse engineering of any of those they would be allowed to sell x86 designs learned from that expierience too. (in omst countries atleast, local laws may apply)

That's more nuanced, I think, with many technologies patented ...well, one could ignore it, I suppose - but in the process closing too many markets, being too risky for buyers of chips (manufacturers, really, not end-users*).

OTOH, i486 is over 20 years old. And in 2013, you can do P5-level implementation without any legal issues, I guess. Two years later - i686, essentially bringing compatibility with most of present software, if it doesn't require MMX (2016) or SSE (2019...). x64 would be probably at least as big of a problem before 2023 - I imagine that AMD doesn't want additional competition, much more than Intel doesn't want it (Intel just wants some competition, to avoid antitrust; for AMD, being that "sanctioned" by Intel competition is the lifeline)

*hm, I wrote it originally as end-suers ;p (and almost submitted like that, auto-correct giving me a false sense of correctness)

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