Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Nov 2011 23:38 UTC, submitted by sb56637
SuSE, openSUSE And another popular Linux distribution pushes a new release out the door. This time around, it's openSUSE, as they just released version 12.1. Other than the usual latest and greatest version of all the open source desktops and associated tools, there's a few other interesting tidbits in this release as well.
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KDE
by Jason Bourne on Wed 16th Nov 2011 23:53 UTC
Jason Bourne
Member since:
2007-06-02

Speaking of OpenSUSE... I just switched my production machine to Kubuntu 11.10. I have hit a spot that either THIS IS IT or definitely back to Windows 7. I couldn't stand Unity for a couple of days. I couldn't stand GNOME Shell for more than one day. I won't be trying Mint and its hacks. So KDE is all there's left. I may upgrade my hardware or buy a modest Nvidia GPU, if I have to.

I'm on a good oldie AMD 780G/SB700 (Radeon HD 3200). It's running fine, but not that snappy. I'm using the radeon open source driver. Not installing fglrx because certainly will disable splash screens and cause some bugs.

All I ask from KDE developers is... please, don't do any more stupid moves. Keep this environment better and better. I have criticized KDE many times, and KDE has lost ground for GNOME 2. However, KDE based distros may be a great camp for GNOME Shell refugees. GNOME guys really really blew our ex-usable, ex-stable and ex-reliable desktop.

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RE: KDE
by churlish_Helmut on Thu 17th Nov 2011 00:03 in reply to "KDE"
churlish_Helmut Member since:
2010-04-12

You should be happy with opensuse 12.1 - now shipping with brand new KDE 3.5 :-D

Awesome, huh? (well i use it)

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RE[2]: KDE
by lemur2 on Thu 17th Nov 2011 05:00 in reply to "RE: KDE"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

You should be happy with opensuse 12.1 - now shipping with brand new KDE 3.5 :-D


Excuse me?

http://en.opensuse.org/12.1

"KDE introduces Oyranos, Apper and Plasma Active
openSUSE 12.1 ships the KDE Plasma Desktop 4.7 as default workspace and is the first major Linux distribution to ship the new KolorManager + Oyranos color management tools. Another major new addition is KPackageKit replacement Apper, simplifying installation and removal of applications. "


Awesome, huh? (well i use it)


What might be of interest in terms of keeping up to date is Tumbleweed.

http://news.opensuse.org/2011/11/16/opensuse-12-1-all-green/

"Keep tumblin’ and rollin’!

openSUSE 12.1 can of course also move to Tumbleweed, our cutting-edge rolling release repo which contains the latest stable versions of all software. Tumbleweed lessens the significance and change impact of major releases by updating systems continuously."


Apparently, Tumbleweed turns OpenSuSe 12.1 into a rolling-release distribution.

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RE: KDE
by Drumhellar on Thu 17th Nov 2011 01:09 in reply to "KDE"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

The splash screen may work with fglrx. I've got Kubuntu, and I get the splash. Though, I do get a couple stray lines of kernel output, but my el cheapo laptop has weird issues with the graphics outside of windows in general, so your mileage may vary. It's worth trying, though, since fglrx generally performs better and supports more features.

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RE[2]: KDE
by Jason Bourne on Thu 17th Nov 2011 14:08 in reply to "RE: KDE"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

True. I have just installed the fglrx driver from "Apper" (the kpackagekit replacement), so far I have got no problem with plymouth. And the performance really got better.

But I'm really wanting to get a new low end GPU, any recommendations?

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RE: KDE
by Soulbender on Thu 17th Nov 2011 01:13 in reply to "KDE"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I just switched my production machine to Kubuntu 11.10.


I fail to see how that relates to the release of OpenSUSE.

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RE[2]: KDE
by Jason Bourne on Thu 17th Nov 2011 14:10 in reply to "RE: KDE"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

It's related because I was looking for a Ubuntu 11.04 replacement. Many were waiting for OpenSUSE, but along the way came Kubuntu too which is KDE-based distro. Last time I knew, OpenSUSE was a KDE-based distro...unless it changed.

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RE[2]: KDE
by tylerdurden on Thu 17th Nov 2011 22:08 in reply to "RE: KDE"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

He was just letting us know that "production machine" does not mean what he thinks it does...


Kids these days and their buzzwords.

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RE: KDE
by ebasconp on Thu 17th Nov 2011 01:25 in reply to "KDE"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

Give a try to Xubuntu!!! I used KDE a lot of time and I am happily using XFCE ;)

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RE: KDE
by marcus0263 on Thu 17th Nov 2011 02:19 in reply to "KDE"
marcus0263 Member since:
2007-06-02

Been using KDE 4.6 for a few months now, it's OK. I've been messing with Mint's Debian edition with Gnome 2, like it, like it allot. I'll be transitioning over to it shortly.

Unity, sucks balls as a Gnome 3 hack wanna be
Gnome 3, blows
KDE, not bad and it is at least usable
XFCE4, it's alright and usable

Gnome 3 and Unity is a tablet/phone interface, One has to give credit to KDE to separate their Desktop and Tablet/phone interface.

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RE[2]: KDE
by Jason Bourne on Thu 17th Nov 2011 15:09 in reply to "RE: KDE"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

There are improvements on 4.7.3

So far we're short on choices.

Mostly because of cowardly & uninterested developers. The ones who can code good code and criticize, won't touch MATE or fork GNOME, or fork GNOME 3 itself to make it through the mainstream.

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RE: KDE
by unclefester on Thu 17th Nov 2011 06:19 in reply to "KDE"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Just install Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Gnome 2 in all it's glory. Supported until April 2015.

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RE[2]: KDE
by Jason Bourne on Thu 17th Nov 2011 14:11 in reply to "RE: KDE"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

Oh yes, and when I rename something in Nautilus in list-view I get the extension renamed too. Or perhaps when I try to open a device from the desktop area, I have to actually try it twice for it to open in Nautilus.

Sorry, I'm not living anymore with those bugs.

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RE: KDE
by OSbunny on Thu 17th Nov 2011 07:40 in reply to "KDE"
OSbunny Member since:
2009-05-23

Kubuntu is slow because it's the red-headed stepchild of Canonical. If you want KDE go with the traditional KDE distros like OpenSUSE and Mandriva. These are the vendors that work on optimizing their distros for KDE.

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RE[2]: KDE
by Straho on Thu 17th Nov 2011 11:48 in reply to "RE: KDE"
Straho Member since:
2011-09-30

Absolutely, I ran openSuse 12.1, PCLinuxOS KDE and Pardus with Virtual Box on my office Win7. They perform better than Xubuntu, especially Pardus.

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RE[2]: KDE
by Jason Bourne on Thu 17th Nov 2011 14:14 in reply to "RE: KDE"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

I have found no differences of performance between Fedora, Kubuntu and even Arch KDE's. Arch which was supposed to be the "faster" KDE, it's really not. It is just the same to me. Now I am a bit glad that I got fglrx working alright in Kubuntu. But Kubuntu took the lead because it ships the Ubuntu fonts, which I find them really nice for the UI, whereas other distros are using weird fonts.

I still see some shortcomings with KDE, but it's just some PolicyKit crashes, the plain X non-aliased fonts, and minor configuration as defaults. If one can spend the time to overcome this, it's actually better than GNOME.

Edited 2011-11-17 14:17 UTC

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RE: KDE
by No it isnt on Thu 17th Nov 2011 11:45 in reply to "KDE"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

I found KDE 4.6 to be a lot smoother and snappier when I turned off VSync under Desktop Effects -- > Advanced. I think this has to do with the way Mesa/Gallium3d or whatever handles VSync. I don't really notice any more tearing without it, just an increase in speed. Oh and this is with the open radeon drivers on a 5770.

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RE[2]: KDE
by boudewijn on Thu 17th Nov 2011 16:20 in reply to "RE: KDE"
boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

Hey, thanks! That was a good tip, at least until 4.8 is released. I have a high resolution display and an uninspired intel gpu, which means that until I disabled vsync using effects was way slow. Now it's fine and I can have shadows. (There's also an ati gpu in this laptop, but if I enable that, the power draw is too big to run the cpu at max speed, and I compile all day long.)

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RE: KDE
by searly on Thu 17th Nov 2011 18:33 in reply to "KDE"
searly Member since:
2006-02-27

So basically you are using a post about the new OpenSUSE release to troll about Gnome Shell ... great, well done. Honestly I wish people would stop using this hyperbole whenever Gnome Shell or Unity is talked about - "Unusable" maybe for you (and others) but that does not mean for everybody ... I happen to like Gnome Shell (as do others) and it is very usable for me and will be improving with time. Rough edges or lack of features are to be expected for the first few releases. I also like the Gnome Vision about Gnome OS and the plans for the new Gnome Applications all nicely integrated.

Apart from that there are many other DEs, not just KDE that may cater for your needs (XCFE or LXDE to mention only two) - nothing against KDE of course, but to call it the only possible refuge, such bollocks/Hyperbole again, but I forgot you possible just wanted to Troll.

But hey please feel free to return to Windows (is that supposed to be a threat? Only asking because it seems to be used a lot in discussion around different DEs, "... right that's it I will return to Windows!") - You hate Gnome Shell? Well I am sure you will love Windows 8 :-)

Edited 2011-11-17 18:38 UTC

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RE: KDE
by historyb on Thu 17th Nov 2011 20:57 in reply to "KDE"
historyb Member since:
2005-07-06

How about trying XFCE it is good

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RE: KDE
by OSGuy on Sat 19th Nov 2011 10:49 in reply to "KDE"
OSGuy Member since:
2006-01-01

Too bad I can't mod you up. Either way, I was like you until about 3 hours ago when I tried Xfce 4.8 on Fedora 16 and PCLinuxOS Phoenix Edition (XFCE). I think you should try Xfce. I personally believe you will like it. It's much better and professional looking than GNOME 2.x and the performance is also very good. I now need to make a decision between Fedora 16 and PCLinuxOS Phoenix. They both have great packagers managers: Synaptic and yum. Don't know which one is better as a desktop.

Edited 2011-11-19 10:58 UTC

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