Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Nov 2011 23:38 UTC, submitted by sb56637
SuSE, openSUSE And another popular Linux distribution pushes a new release out the door. This time around, it's openSUSE, as they just released version 12.1. Other than the usual latest and greatest version of all the open source desktops and associated tools, there's a few other interesting tidbits in this release as well.
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Well, it looks nice...
by fasted on Thu 17th Nov 2011 02:24 UTC
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but the drivers for my dwa-160a2 wireless dongle didn't load. No wireless. Getting spoiled with 'buntu I guess! Off to find the fix, then give it a proper try. Alot of improvements I'd like to see first hand, Snapshot's, improved boot speed, ect. I'm using Gnome 3, getting used to it even though I'm not prone to change , like most. The whining about Unity, Gnome shell, and KDE4 is just nauseating . People realize that these are free operating system's , right? I mean if you forked out 250 bucks and it sucked, I could see you being upset, but that's what pushed me to Linux in the first place. It's also taught me more about computer's than I would have ever imagined, so that's worth alot to me.
If I hear one more person threaten to go back to Win 7, she's hurl time. I , personally, will miss you. Kidding.

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RE: Well, it looks nice...
by avgalen on Thu 17th Nov 2011 07:44 in reply to "Well, it looks nice..."
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Let's say that trying out a distribution takes an evening to download and install, another evening to configure everything the way you want it and then a couple of evenings to discover the good and the bad....that is a lot of wasted time if it turns out there is not enough good.

So if you are having a nicely setup Windows 7 environment (or any other OS) that does most of the things you want and does it well (after at least the same amount of evenings invested) then every other OS will have to bring a lot of good to the table to convince me to switch or at least multi-boot.

So far I have spend about 100 evenings on distributions ranging from RedHat 5.2 (yes, a century ago) until the latest Ubuntu and it NEVER supports all my current hardware (ranging from standard Compaq Deskpro's to home-build whiteboxes to laptops to netbooks now)

Linux is surely getting better and better and it seems to work well for others. But Windows always seems to be ahead in hardware support and most of the better Open Source programs actually run better on Windows than on Linux. I would like to have a free OS without 5 update-cycles after a fresh install, but my almost free Windows is just working better.

.....yet I keep trying a couple of times every year when I hear about the newest generation of Linux Distributions constantly setting myself up for disappointment. But at least I am not "just another dumb Windows user".

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RE[2]: Well, it looks nice...
by unclefester on Thu 17th Nov 2011 08:34 in reply to "RE: Well, it looks nice..."
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The solution:

a) Buy Linux compatible hardware.

b) Find a distro you like and stick with it.

I use Ubuntu LTS. It takes an hour to install and an hour or two to tweak once every 2-3 years.

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RE[2]: Well, it looks nice...
by ricegf on Thu 17th Nov 2011 11:45 in reply to "RE: Well, it looks nice..."
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You love Windows so, yet you've had 25 flings over the past 10 years with various Linux products? You philanderer, you! :-D

Oddly, I've had exactly the opposite experience with hardware. Linux works out of the box with almost everything I've tried, while Windows has generally required that I search out and install at least one or two drivers per install (either that or dig through the dusty CD bin). We have very different tastes in hardware, I suppose.

One of the great things about libre software is that it tends to run on every platform we use. Of course, we've discovered the same is now true (at least for Windows and Red Hat) for most commercial software that we use - other than Microsoft Office or the occasional vertical app, app needs favor Windows far less frequently than in the Red Hat 5.2 days. Benchmarks show our apps run much faster under Linux, though, which is certainly driving our architecture.

This is important, as the ongoing mobile revolution is shaking up the market dramatically. It's interesting to see Microsoft following Ubuntu's lead in moving to a mobilesque shell on their primary product. This is a particularly good time to broaden your experiences beyond the WIMP paradigm, as the big UI innovators now are Android and iOS, driving touch to laptops and desktops - who hasn't absently tried to move a window or activate a button on a laptop screen with their finger yet?

OS philandering is important to any self-respecting geek. Heck, you should spend 4 evenings with Haiku - you never know who might steal your heart! ;-)

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RE[2]: Well, it looks nice...
by No it isnt on Thu 17th Nov 2011 12:13 in reply to "RE: Well, it looks nice..."
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That's strange. I've set up two Windows 7 desktops for my parents the last year, one Asus and one HP, and both took longer to configure for first boot than doing a complete installation of whatever Linux distro I've tried (possibly excluding Arch). That's for pre-installed OEM versions of Windows 7, and not considering all the crapware and demo versions of constantly malfunctioning virus scanners you have to uninstall to make the computer usable (I don't know why they all seem to prefer crap to the functional Microsoft Security Essentials), or downloading and installing various apps that come with the Linux distro.

Of course, if you disregard the fact that Windows actually needs to be installed and configured and pretend this is something uniquely Linux-y, then Windows wins, hands down. Then again, that's disingenuous.

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RE[2]: Well, it looks nice...
by Dave_K on Thu 17th Nov 2011 16:41 in reply to "RE: Well, it looks nice..."
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That mirrors my experiences with Linux almost perfectly, right down to Redhat 5 being my first distribution.

I must have installed 50 different Linux distributions on 20 different computers without it ever working perfectly. Admittedly quite a few of those were laptops (I've spent 30+ hours just trying to get Linux working well on my Thinkpad), but even the generic desktops always have issues that need fixing, or hardware that simply isn't supported.

About 95% of my computing time is spent using Windows, but easily 95% of the time I spend researching and solving problems is down to Linux. It's interesting that Linux just works for some people, but that's a completely alien experience to me.

I'm enthusiastic enough that I don't mind wasting some time playing with Linux when a new distribution catches my interest (I'll probably give OpenSUSE 12.1 a try later and see how far I get), but I'm glad to have an easy to use OS like Windows available when Linux gets frustrating and I don't want the hassle.

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