Linked by Howard Fosdick on Mon 21st Nov 2011 07:48 UTC
Google Last June, CNET disclosed that Google collects and publishes the estimated locations of millions of phones, laptops, and other Wi-Fi devices. All without their owner's knowledge or permission. Google has finally announced how to exclude your home network from this database. Simply append "_nomap" to its name. Details over at CNET. Left unsaid is why the burden is placed on millions of individuals to opt-out, instead of on perpetrator Google.
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UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Why travel untold miles to some random access point just because it's on Google?

Maybe the person will be traveling on a trip to the state and will be nearby, and has nothing better to do than to crack in his free time?

Dude, do you seriously think some guy would travel 100's of miles to break into your access point when there's most likely hundreds of access point in his immediate vicinity? Seriously?
You shouldn't worry about some cracker 100 miles away, you should worry about the cracker next door.

Read above. And also, what if I didn't live anywhere near other people? Then it's an open invitation to a lone hotspot to crack in the middle of nowhere, while normally you'd be safe.

What makes you think you're a high-profile target? Is the SSID named NORAD? Is your location the White House?

Did I ever say I was a "high-profile" target? Hell no, so quit putting words in my mouth. Fact is, Google putting the SSID of my router and its geographical location on the big map makes me a potential target to a much larger group of people.

I'm done arguing. My opinion is not going to change, yours is obviously not going to change. I care about privacy and security. I think it's all bullshit, you don't. No point in going on. The end.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Bleh. Looks like I'm going to run into problems connecting with some devices (so far, my Android phone for sure). So it looks like the SSID broadcasting will have to remain on at least for the time being. I am attempting to attack this problem by disallowing all devices whose MAC addresses I don't specifically allow to connect to my router. I refuse to add that retarded "_nomap" bullshit to my network's name, so this is all I have left that I can think of to do. Of course, this says nothing of MAC address spoofing.

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B. Janssen Member since:
2006-10-11

Bleh. Looks like I'm going to run into problems connecting with some devices (so far, my Android phone for sure). So it looks like the SSID broadcasting will have to remain on at least for the time being. I am attempting to attack this problem by disallowing all devices whose MAC addresses I don't specifically allow to connect to my router. I refuse to add that retarded "_nomap" bullshit to my network's name, so this is all I have left that I can think of to do. Of course, this says nothing of MAC address spoofing.


Sorry to be blunt, but you don't seem understand how WLAN (or LAN, for that matter) is working. This will do nothing to mitigate your listing problem! Even unspoofed devices will pick up BEACON (and PROBE etc.) The only reliable way to get out of the list (mind you, not out of the database) is to follow Google's directions and add _nomap to your SSID.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"Why travel untold miles to some random access point just because it's on Google?

Maybe the person will be traveling on a trip to the state and will be nearby, and has nothing better to do than to crack in his free time?
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So ... why look for a list of SSIDs ahead of time, when you can just whip out your scanner while you are actually there, and get a real-time list of SSIDs that are currently online and nearby?

"Dude, do you seriously think some guy would travel 100's of miles to break into your access point when there's most likely hundreds of access point in his immediate vicinity? Seriously?
You shouldn't worry about some cracker 100 miles away, you should worry about the cracker next door.

Read above. And also, what if I didn't live anywhere near other people? Then it's an open invitation to a lone hotspot to crack in the middle of nowhere, while normally you'd be safe.
"

Why would someone go way out into the boonies to try and maybe crack a wireless network at some house that probably has super slow satellite Internet, when they can just whip out their scanner while sitting in their hotel room, or local coffee shop and see what networks are around them? Why pick only 1 network to try, when you could have your pick of the dozens around you?

"What makes you think you're a high-profile target? Is the SSID named NORAD? Is your location the White House?

Did I ever say I was a "high-profile" target? Hell no, so quit putting words in my mouth. Fact is, Google putting the SSID of my router and its geographical location on the big map makes me a potential target to a much larger group of people.
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Not really. Does having your name, phone number, and address in the local telephone book, which is also available nation-wide via the Internet, make you a bigger target? Not really.

Edited 2011-11-22 18:27 UTC

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